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Crowley
| | Posted on Friday, September 11, 2009 - 03:11 pm: | 
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Yep, silly thread. I own 7 Buells (incl the first 1125 in private hands in Europe) I love them all, OK perhaps the XB comes a bit down on the list . My 1125 was in the shop for Warranty stuff so often , I bought a Ducati. They're both very different bikes so it's a pointless comparison - but there's a lot of rubbish talked about the cost of belt and valve service on the Duc.
If I could have only one bike, it would be the best Buell ever built, a late X1
Despite being challenging to live with, my 1125 is a great bike |
Crowley
| | Posted on Friday, September 11, 2009 - 03:14 pm: |
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AVC, Ducatis 'want' a valve CHECK at 7.5k miles - easy to do, no engine rotation. They 'MAY' need adjusting. |
Dentguy
| | Posted on Friday, September 11, 2009 - 03:20 pm: |
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Not riding the Ducati 7500/year miles doesn't get you completely out of the maintenance. Ducati has services based on time also.
Agree. Well aware. I have a owners manual with maintenance schedule in my hands.
Wow.
I made a comment saying don't let the maintenance scare you, there isn't that much extra maintenance. You jump on that and start comparing numbers, which is fine by me, yet you conveniently forget to add in some of the Buells services. All I ask is that when comparing, be fair and add up all the Buells services which you didn't do in your numbers comparison.
Here are some more numbers that are supposed to be from Ducati North America, but I don't know that is a fact. Obviously your numbers are higher and other dealers may be also. I don't know if that includes parts, labor or both.
Here is the breakdown according to DNA:
600 mile service - $144.38
7500 mile service - $256.88
15000 mile service - $362.20
after 7500 mile valve service $294.80
after 15000 mile valve service $366.30
add the valve service to the regular service at each interval for a total, ie 7500 mile service should be
256.88 + 294.80 = $551.68 (plus tax) for the 7500 mile service
Just so it's clear, I never said the Ducati scheduled services/maintenance was cheaper.
Sorry Djz for hijacking your thread. I just wanted to comment not to let the maintenance scare you and it's not much extra, but it's gone way past that.
I'm out of this. |
Clarkjw
| | Posted on Friday, September 11, 2009 - 03:37 pm: |
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There you go! Shop time's a bitch so just get a honda =) |
Avc8130
| | Posted on Friday, September 11, 2009 - 03:39 pm: |
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I have seen those numbers posted by Ducati. I feel they are misleading. Searching the internet has shown that the $551.68 service cannot be had for that price. Most dealers wanted $1000+ from both internet searching and actually calling them. When I asked Ducati about the discrepancy, they said the dealers were free to set their own costs. This is a bait and switch in my mind and is unfair to a buyer.
Bottom line is this is a BUELL forum...if he wants to know about Ducati ownership he should go to a Ducati forum.
Of course everyone here likes their Buell.
My decision came down to maintenance costs. I did a bunch of research and I was convinced it was going to cost me a fortune to own the Ducati for the amount of riding I do annually. The Buell I could service in my garage with the tools I already owned.
I am sure the S model is amazing, but now we are really at apples and oranges.
(Message edited by avc8130 on September 11, 2009) |
Macchiato
| | Posted on Friday, September 11, 2009 - 03:57 pm: |
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Seems to me the the CR1125 is a better comparison to the SF.
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/8/4506/Motorcycle-Ar ticle/2009-Streetfighter-Comparo-III.aspx
Here's a good article for insight.
(Message edited by macchiato on September 11, 2009) |
The_italian_job
| | Posted on Friday, September 11, 2009 - 06:00 pm: |
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macchiato,
this comparisons mean nothing!
the sponsor who pays more, get the first prize, obviously, as always has been! |
Bigblock
| | Posted on Friday, September 11, 2009 - 06:42 pm: |
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My dealer won't even give me a price to do the valve check on my 1125, said something about how noone has done it, and rotating the motor is such a bitch, shop time atleast 6 to 10 hours.
That ain't cheap, gonna probably have to do this one myself. |
Avc8130
| | Posted on Friday, September 11, 2009 - 06:57 pm: |
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Your dealer just needs to pull up the book time for the service and multiply that by their hourly rate. If no one has ever done it, I guess they have not been factory trained?
I fully plan on doing it myself, with common hand tools (as long as Torx are considered common).
ac |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Friday, September 11, 2009 - 10:54 pm: |
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SO has anyone had a valve that required adjustment? |
Spectrum
| | Posted on Friday, September 11, 2009 - 11:27 pm: |
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Fresno, yes! One of my intake valves had to be reshimed. It was close enough, they said they could have let it pass (right on the edge of spec), but swapped the shims just to be safe. |
Ridenusa4l
| | Posted on Friday, September 11, 2009 - 11:56 pm: |
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italian job,
Whats with the hostility? lol
Is it because the buell beat the duc?
just wonderin
Jake |
Lemonchili_x1
| | Posted on Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 02:33 am: |
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"Seems to me the the CR1125 is a better comparison to the SF"
I can see where DJZ is coming from. Sometimes the bikes that grab our attention, the ones that stay in our mind, aren't necessarily in the same "class" or logically comparable, they're just the ones we like  Eg My current wish list bike is one of the following - 1125CR, '08 GSXR750, XB9S, Street Triple R, crossplane R1, Duc Streetfighter and Duc 848. A white 1125R seems to be making it's way back onto the list
The Streetfighter would have to be one of the best looking bikes I've seen in a while. I thought they looked ok in the pics, then saw two at the dealer - awesome, mean, angry, sexy looking bike! |
Chadhargis
| | Posted on Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 10:06 am: |
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Honestly guys....spec sheets, big power, and fancy suspension don't always make a great bike. One of my favorite bikes ever is a KLR650. Underpowered, pogo sticks for suspension, ugly, and cheap.....but riding that bike at 60mph felt like you were going 100mph. It's the only bike I've ever been able to get to the balance point on the rear wheel and shift gears. I didn't care if I dropped it, scratched it, spilled gas on it, or anything. I just rode it. I should have never got rid of that bike. I had it set up the way I liked it. It's one of my regrets.
Here's my beloved KLR. A real streetfighter, curb jumper, fuel efficient "green" mobile, and hooligan bike wheelie machine:
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Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 10:20 am: |
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macchiato,
this comparisons mean nothing!
the sponsor who pays more, get the first prize, obviously, as always has been!
Really? A company with 200 people can out spend Ducati to make a magazine review come out their way?
THAT is rich! |
The_italian_job
| | Posted on Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 05:12 pm: |
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FT_bstrd,
if you buy bike magazines, you could notice that in the last 3-4 months, Buell has bought the 2nd and 3rd pages for its advertisement. that costs money my friend.
Buell is investing right now, in the races and in the ads.
I rode both bikes and it's easy to notice the difference in every inch of the bikes, Ducati is a step forward anyone right now. that's why they own the word "Superbike", as their motto says.
I own both bikes (more Buells than Ducatis), I will never sell my Buells, though I will sell my Duc for sure.
but technically speaking, the 1125's are far away from a 1098/Streetfighter... |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 06:05 pm: |
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If buying ad space was all it took to get a good review for Buell, they would have spent the money every year since 2003 to make sure that the reviews went their way.
It's ridiculous to believe their ad expenditures had ANYTHING to do with the outcome of the comparison.
I can guarantee you that EVERY reviewer in that article has panned Buell in a previous review. |
Court
| | Posted on Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 06:18 am: |
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Could not agree more . . . whatever you ride, great idea to have one of these hidden away . .
quote:Honestly guys....spec sheets, big power, and fancy suspension don't always make a great bike. One of my favorite bikes ever is a KLR650. Underpowered, pogo sticks for suspension, ugly, and cheap.....but riding that bike at 60mph felt like you were going 100mph. It's the only bike I've ever been able to get to the balance point on the rear wheel and shift gears. I didn't care if I dropped it, scratched it, spilled gas on it, or anything. I just rode it. I should have never got rid of that bike. I had it set up the way I liked it. It's one of my regrets.
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Sleeper_777
| | Posted on Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 11:30 am: |
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Buy whatever makes you have fun and feel confident. I like all brands; owned several; wish I had the money for a Ducati.
Regards,
Chris |
Tbenson
| | Posted on Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 12:39 pm: |
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I would like to see HD put the Buell in the background in all their commercials, or at least implement the Buell in the ad someway?
Maybe a poster, t-shirt, jacket or something? |
Jpowell490
| | Posted on Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 01:36 pm: |
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Just think, all the time spent debating this, you could have been out riding  |
Whynot
| | Posted on Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 05:20 pm: |
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Sold both my Ducatis this year, a 1992 907 and a 2007 Monster S4R. I wanted to get away from the need to change the belts every two years, and the small gas tank on the Monster.
But maybe a better comparison with the 1125R would be the Ducati 848. |
Moosestang
| | Posted on Sunday, September 20, 2009 - 10:20 am: |
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The street fighter has fueling problems at low rpms, they even mention it in that comparison and it's all over the ducati forums. It should run smooth everywhere for the money.
I know the 1125 has had a few reflashes, but apparently it's not nearly as bad as the ducati in low rpm cruising.
Italian job, I don't know what to say, but stop building fugly buells. |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Sunday, September 20, 2009 - 10:33 am: |
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It should run smooth everywhere for the money.
Uh, could it be that the EPA is screwing up the fueling, not the manufacturers? Some are doing better with what they are given to work with, however. |
Dentguy
| | Posted on Sunday, September 20, 2009 - 11:39 am: |
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Uh, could it be that the EPA is screwing up the fueling, not the manufacturers?
No doubt about that.
Moosestang,
Keep in mind all the Ducati's are setup to meet Euro 3 emission specs (very lean). Even the US ones and Ducati does have a reflash. The Streetfighter just came out some months ago. It is still early in the game. Give it a chance to sort out. The 1125 has had many reflashes, as you stated, since it came out.
(Message edited by dentguy on September 20, 2009) |
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