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Jointeffortracing
Posted on Friday, September 04, 2009 - 06:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is it possible to just disconnect and remove the Throttle Closing Solenoid with out installing the relay? We have a special closed track day tomorrow with Superbike SA magazine doing a photo shoot and test ride of the Buell. While we have the track to ourselves we were going to do some more testing, and if we can do it with out it nosing over on the straights at time would be a plus. We have the relay on order and should be here in time for our next race, just trying to get a jump on things.

Thx
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Ridenusa4l
Posted on Friday, September 04, 2009 - 06:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

just disconnect the cable, easy peasy.

Jake
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Lovedabueller
Posted on Friday, September 04, 2009 - 08:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i removed my noid and i got the engine light. so i was asked myself, "Self, why dont you just cut the connector on the PART OF THE NOID. splice the wires and see if the engine light goes away?"

and then i Gave self a P.O.B. cause IT WORKED.

we dont need no stinkin $6.00 plug.
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Sleeper_777
Posted on Friday, September 04, 2009 - 09:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes, you can just disconnect the cable. That is what I did, so if I need service at a authorized H/D - Buell Dealer, I can quickly connect it back without the hassle of reinstalling and removing.
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P_squared
Posted on Friday, September 04, 2009 - 09:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just remove the cable from the throttle linkage, secure it out of the way, then go ride.

If you remove the entire 'noid (weight reduction for racing), the $6.00 plug is well worth it.
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Carbonbigfoot
Posted on Friday, September 04, 2009 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep. Just disconnect the cable. Quick fix, nothing but labor.


R
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Chadhargis
Posted on Friday, September 04, 2009 - 11:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you take it to a dealer, and they give you fits about the noid being gone, you need another dealer.

Heck, all the folks at my dealer know I removed the noid. I'm willing to bet the dealer's own bike doesn't have a noid on it. His Race ECM won't work with it anyway. : )
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Betzy
Posted on Saturday, September 05, 2009 - 03:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pardon for asking why would you want to do this, what does the noid do??
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P_squared
Posted on Saturday, September 05, 2009 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reasons behind why we have the noid & why folks want to remove it: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/489162.html?1250813010

Last page in the thread is a great in depth "How To" with pics as well.
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Usmoto
Posted on Sunday, September 06, 2009 - 07:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

all i did was disconnect the cable from the throttle body. left the solenoid wires conn'd. never had a problem or error code.
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Jaimec
Posted on Tuesday, September 08, 2009 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Usmoto: That might just be the most elegant solution yet, at least for a street rider. The weight-obsessed racer and track-day types might prefer total removal. The solenoid doesn't know it isn't acting on the butterflies, so the CEL never activates. Brilliant!
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Chadhargis
Posted on Tuesday, September 08, 2009 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I removed it completely. For no other reason that I know I'm never going to EVER want it connected again. I just don't like having things on my bike that serve no purpose. It's like chrome...I hate chrome. What freakin purpose does it serve?
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Zac4mac
Posted on Tuesday, September 08, 2009 - 10:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The solenoid may not know, but the TPS will.
You will still get a CEL.

Z

BTW, I have done the same.
No cable, I removed it at both ends, noid still connected.
Have seen CEL once since.

(Message edited by zac4mac on September 08, 2009)
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Dirty_john
Posted on Tuesday, September 08, 2009 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

if you remove the noid then you need the end of line resistor fitted or the IC/ECM will light up the check light when it polls the noid circuit to check for the presence of the noid - if in doubt read the 1125R elec diagnostics manual it is quite clear on this.
For a quick fix just remove the noid cable to the rear throttle quadrant and don't forget to wire this quadrant and the quadrant on the same shaft together.
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Redscuell
Posted on Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 10:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I unplugged the 'noid (disconnected at linkage, tied linkage, plugged the deutsch bit into the socket) soon after getting my R, after reading the various posts here.

Reconnected it after a lot of k's; and this made no difference whatsoever. Nothing. So mine remains connected.

And a recent track day turned up zero incidents with the connected 'noid, either.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 01:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Track day or aggressive riding will not bring out the worst in the 'noid (unless you miss a shift). Riding in the upper rev range will jump right over the trouble spot in 3rd.

Why did you re-connect it if makes no difference either way? There is no down side to having it disconnected, only benefits.
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Dirty_john
Posted on Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 02:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

not surprised that there were no noid incidents at a track day, the noid operates at large throttle openings in third gear at a specific rpm from memory. If it happens when you are on the road overtaking a bus then you will would be glad that you had taken the advice of quite a few of us on this forum and removed the noid - you have been lucky so far
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