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Puzzled
Posted on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 08:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is there anyone offering engine performance parts yet for the 1125? Heads, larger cylinders, cams, hi compression pistons, etc.?

I did check with Henry and aside from the Race ECM there isn't anything
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Endoman33
Posted on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

haven't heard of anyone yet
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Endoman33
Posted on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 09:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

who erever is building the race parts for the 1125r will have them out soon i would think
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Slypiranna
Posted on Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes, there is a future to this but it won't be easy to acquire.

Most definitely, once available, you won't acquire it via public forums.
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Easyrider
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 12:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yep we do www.twinmotorcycles.nl

only on holiday from tomorrow until the 7th of september, shop is closed.

I make 143 HP with our race exhaust and programming the stock ECM on a stock bike. For the street customers enough to handle.

What do you want to do with the HP? drag or street racing or fun..
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Clarkjw
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 04:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On the RR, Buell has these neat wire mesh throttle intake covers. I think they replace the air filter. Any word on this?

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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 07:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes, there is a future to this but it won't be easy to acquire.

Most definitely, once available, you won't acquire it via public forums.


I agree. The initial wave will be tough to get and pricey.

Someone knows a guy who knows a guy! ; ) : D

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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 08:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yep we do www.twinmotorcycles.nl

only on holiday from tomorrow until the 7th of september, shop is closed.

I make 143 HP with our race exhaust and programming the stock ECM on a stock bike. For the street customers enough to handle.

What do you want to do with the HP? drag or street racing or fun..


I have read that site from end to end. I love the initial write up on the 1125 race bike. I got a little excited when I saw the motor apart. I didn't see anything on the site other than the ECM tune and exhaust, not what I'm after. (proverbial, been there done that)

Heads, larger cylinders, cams, hi compression pistons, etc.?

That is the direction I thought the article was going when you were claying the heads to check valve clearance.

Drag racing is the direction I'm leaning with a touch of fun.

I have a motor coming and have been in contact with shops to tear into it to see what they may be able to do. : D

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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 08:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On the RR, Buell has these neat wire mesh throttle intake covers. I think they replace the air filter. Any word on this?

I saw those. : D <BR> <BR>From what I have read running without the air bix gets pretty loud. Know what, come to think of it they are running an air box cover, just no filter.

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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 08:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

who erever is building the race parts for the 1125r will have them out soon i would think

That is what I initially thought. Doesn't the AMA pretty much require a stock motor? That is what made me think we won't see any trickle down from there. Now the RR revs a little more and makes a few more ponies. I'd like to know how that was achieved. The 1500 extra RPM would be real nice. : D

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Easyrider
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 09:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

puzzled, how much can you spent and how fast you want to go.. Mail me for the amount on dris @ twinmotorcycles . nl, There is more but nothing standard yet.. It will happen.
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Carbonbigfoot
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 09:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The RPM issue has been touched on here, and someone did the math as far as piston speed, which of course is the limiting factor RPM-wise. Seems like the 1125 is just about at the limit there, so without some really exotic bits and pieces there's probably not a whole lot left.

BUT: The guys on the cutting edge of tuning and exhaust are getting damned close to 150 hp at the wheel!

R
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Easyrider
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

carbonbigfoot,

the first thing we need is a complete new fueling system. The stock system can not handle more the 11000 RPM..
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1_mike
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 03:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Puzzled -

Pistons are available now.

Go to any piston manufacturer with a spare piston in hand, tell them what ratio you'ld like and give them a coupla weeks.
Easy as that.
(I'd guess one could get a used up piston from a racer somewhere)

I just had a set of pistons made to my desires for a car engine I'm working on.

The 1125 piston isn't magic. The skirt design has been run in cars for a coupla years now.
AND...being very similar dimensionaly to a small block Chevy..those forgings are easily available.

Mike
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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 05:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1_mike

What I ran into with having pistons made is the manufacture wants you to take a set amount. With my drag car taking 8 is no problem. Taking 8 for a bike that needs two is a problem. Than again maybe economic times have changed that and they are willing to cut a pair. : )

Once the motor is here and in my hands I'll be able to see what is required. Currently I'm doing my leg work to determine my direction.
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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 05:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the first thing we need is a complete new fueling system. The stock system can not handle more the 11000 RPM..

The RR is spinning higher than 11K so I'd be curious as to what they are using for a fuel system.

What are we talking here, injectors, fuel rails, fuel pump and whatever manages the injector rate?

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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 06:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The RPM issue has been touched on here, and someone did the math as far as piston speed, which of course is the limiting factor RPM-wise. Seems like the 1125 is just about at the limit there, so without some really exotic bits and pieces there's probably not a whole lot left.

BUT: The guys on the cutting edge of tuning and exhaust are getting damned close to 150 hp at the wheel!

R


I won't dispute that. This is why I'm doing my research PRIOR to jumping in feet first. : D

That HP range is ok. Like I have said before, I want inline four HP out of my Rotax Twin. Why? Because I can. : ) : ) (or at least I'll try and this is still less than buying a new Duc ; ) )



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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 06:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

puzzled, how much can you spent and how fast you want to go.. Mail me for the amount on dris @ twinmotorcycles . nl, There is more but nothing standard yet.. It will happen.

I'll spend what it takes to get what I want (done correctly the first time). Will it be wasted money? Probably.: D}
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Littlebutquick
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the guys @ twinmotorcycles mapped my bike and i ran 10.00 et all day last weekend and raced rice burners never lost once they no there stuff i trust them with all my work
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Slypiranna
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 08:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

152+ has already been done @ the rear tire in the states on an 08' 1125R

...I'll let that gentleman post his pre/post dyno if he wishes to.
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Slypiranna
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 08:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aftermarket pistons ARE NOT currently available or paid for.

I have already talked with MANY on the inside and outside and NONE are ready to commit to the tooling required for such a limited market.

This isn't a SBC piston.

The 11 piston IS unique and requires a lot of $'s to tool up for from an aftermarket standpoint.

Please stop dreaming and keep to facts. B.S. gets old quick.
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T_man
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 09:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Easyrider; what advantages can we expect from a full system version of the torque hammer over the slip-on? Thanks! - Oops... wrong thread!

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Ridenusa4l
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

sly,
can u elaborate on what was done to said bike, to produce that kind of power??

THANX,
Jake
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Bigblock
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have been told by someone claiming to be "in the know" that just the race pipe(or equivalent) milling the heads and re-timing the cams (with a prerequisite dyno- tune) will give you an easy 150 at the tire.

It seems that cams, bigger airbox and such are available now, a-la 1125RR, so if you have a race license, I suppose, but don't know, that may be possible, too.

I'm sure Henry Duga knows a lot more than me...

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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bigblock, I like your train of thought. That is why I called Henry after the dealer show and was told there isn't anything available yet.

I'm not opposed to milling the heads. : D
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Ridenusa4l
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

anonymous stated in a previous thread (i believe) that the rr is around 160rwhp, but it also has titanium valves and race cams, per what i remember reading, also the larger air box, etc...

But with enough money ANYTHING is do-able lol...hell puzzled just put a turbo on it and call it good lol...just a thought

Jake
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Mrbikle
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

im pretty sure my local shop decked their 1125 that they race. With exhaust and all that though they only put down 142....i put down 140 on the same dyno with just an OSB tune, lol.
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Puzzled
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ridenusa41 it is funny you say that. I turbo'd my Busa and it was stupid fast. Hmmmm ; )
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Ridenusa4l
Posted on Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 11:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

exactly now imagine that with a 54.5in. wheelbase hahahaha

Jake ; )
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Bigblock
Posted on Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 01:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think re-timing the cams, if you run the stockers(doesn't seem to be much choice right now) is an important part of the equation...

I have no idea what the proper specs to dial 'em in to are, though...

THAT might be a good question to pose to Mr. Duga...
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