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Jdugger
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 08:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thought I'd drag an old topic out of the archives for a fresh look. I just installed my last set of pads on hand, so it's time to reorder.

Seems like there's three options

1. EBC 4HH Extreme Pro Race Pad
2. Ferodo Sintered Front Pad
3. New Buell OEM pad apparently more "Track oriented"?

I've been running EBC 4HH pads. They work well, with a fantastic feel that gets better as the bike gets hot. I don't find them to fade at all using the right fluid, even to the point of turning my rotors dark purple.

Downside is they throw a lot of dust, and I find I'm changing from brake pads almost as often as front tires. In addition, I have to clean/rebuild the caliper every few sets from all the grime build up. So, they are expensive to run.

Anyone try the Ferodo or the rumored new OEM pad on the track or in a race?
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Jersey_thunder
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 01:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We run EBC 4HH Extreme Pro Race and the buell race pads
you are right about the dust....but they do work!!!

jt
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Jdugger
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 03:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

EBC pads are half the cost of Buell Race pads.... which do you like better?
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No_rice
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 04:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been running EBC 4HH pads. Downside is they throw a lot of dust, and I find I'm changing from brake pads almost as often as front tires. In addition, I have to clean/rebuild the caliper every few sets from all the grime build up. So, they are expensive to run.

hmm, well i just put some on so i guess i will have to see how bad that is. hoping to try them out on the track in september.

what was the fluid you said you had been using again?
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Jdugger
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Motul RBF 600. It made an ENORMOUS difference over stock DOT4. I change it about once every couple of months -- basically every time I swap a set of pads.

My brakes get so hot that even the braided SS line turns colors near the caliper! And, if anything, this stuff performs better (at least, to my liking) once I get the brakes good and hot.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 06:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is normal DOT 4 brake fluid synthetic?
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Avc8130
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 06:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I do not believe "normal" DOT4 is synthetic. I use ATE Super Blue Racing Brake Fluid. Mostly just because it is blue :-)
ac
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 09:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was perusing the grandstands design website and noticed that the Motul syn Dot4 brake fluid had a boiling point of 594 degrees. Came home an checked out a can of DOT 4 Car Quest brake fluid primarily to see if it was synthetic. Interesting that its boiling point was 311 degrees. Oh and there isn't any claim of being sythetic either.

To me that's a HUGE difference. Any opinions? Looks to me that the syn brake fuild would go a long way to preventing brake fade.
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Avc8130
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 09:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fresno,
You might be comparing the "wet boiling point" of the Carquest to the "minimum boiling point" of the Motul. No clue what that means...but the fluid I use has both listed.
ac
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Chadhargis
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 11:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've always had good luck with Valvoline SynPower Synthetic brake fluid. It's cheap, and full synthetic. Sadly, it's not shown on their website. Hope it wasn't discontinued.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 11:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Nissin pads are outstanding. Find out what they are using on Danny Eslick's bike. Someone somewhere mentioned the new pad I think, maybe?

The Buell catalog, shows the Nissin pads in the racing section.

A. Race Front Brake Pads
• Fits ZTL-2™ 8 piston caliper applications
H0300.06AH $189.00
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 11:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Prior factory race pads were apparently H0300.05AH, so the above may be the latest greatest, but not sure. I think they found even better here just recently.

More info at...

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=290431&post=1119459#POST1119459

and...

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=290431&post=1158446#POST1158446
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 12:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You might be comparing the "wet boiling point" of the Carquest to the "minimum boiling point"

YEs, the car quest is a "wet boiling" point of 311 versus "boiling point" of 594 for the Motul.

I am wondering myself if this is apples to apples comparison?}
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Rsh
Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 01:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The RMR Geico Buell's are sponsored by EBC brakes, I would think that is what they are using.
The race pads listed in the catalog are EPFA454/4HH sintered HH race.

(Message edited by rsh on August 26, 2009)
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Jdugger
Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 07:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

DOT4 fluid is hygroscopic, meaning it takes on water from the atmosphere.

When it does, it will boil (making the fluid ineffective) at lower temperatures.

That's why I change mine every couple of months. Fluid is "wet" long before it "turns dark" or other visual indicators.

Also, always use a fresh bottle since the fluid will take on water sitting on the shelf. Or, since I'm a welder and have it handy, I top mine off with argon and re-close.
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Smoke
Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

never thought of the argon trick. i usually buy the smallest bottle of fluid. been using the EBC's on the track. they even sent me a contingency check.: )
tim
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Hunter19
Posted on Sunday, August 30, 2009 - 07:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I put on the Ferodo sintered on the front and also changed the stock fluid out to the Ames oil racing dot4. It was a night and day difference. Even had a track day right after I put them on. They work great.
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