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Xb12xmike
| | Posted on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 05:17 pm: | 
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>...Naw!! They'd think of another way to need money!
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Here are some N.J.D.M.V. morals and ethics for ya:
Driving without insurance "The one and only time I ever did it". 1st offence. (early 1990's)
Day of court:
50.00 court costs
875.00 fine and 4 points!!
6 months loss of license
PAY THE FINE AND DO THE TIME!
FAIR IS FAIR CORRECT?
NO PROBLEM HERE WITH ETHICS, I admit I deserved it!! (of course)
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Then they invented :
S U R C H A R G E S !
Got a letter a month before the 6 months was up saying I have to pay +1,000 a year for 3 years or you loose it again. NICE HUH?
Pretty soon...we wont be able to fart in peace. |
Ron_luning
| | Posted on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 05:51 pm: |
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You'd be better off getting a PO Box in another state and getting a license there instead of paying NJ that much money. |
Ron_luning
| | Posted on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 05:58 pm: |
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Oh yeah, I forgot to tell the story of how on June 7th I broke my elbow and f'd up my knee in a bicycle crash because of a road rage moron. Even though I gave the exact plate number and vehicle description to the police (I saw the plate nice and close since the guy drove around behind me as I was laying on the ground), they said that they couldn't find a match of the plate to the car so there was nothing to go on. Basically they didn't give a shit since I wasn't paralyzed or killed. Yeah, the judicial system is really there to help as long as they see easy money headed their way. The police have NEVER provided me with any help. The one time I asked for it they basically told me to •••• off. How often do they even solve real crimes where the criminal wasn't a total idiot? Maybe 10% of the time? They would much rather take easy money from the sheep out there than deal with fighting real crimes.
But anyway, I'll update with the results of my charade of a trial when they are available. |
Xb12xmike
| | Posted on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 10:42 am: |
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>You'd be better off getting a PO Box in another state and getting a license there instead of paying NJ that much money.
A license and address in another state would help for 3-6 months "in that state". As long as they don't do a thorough check on you if you ever get pulled over. But you would be charged with "d}riving while suspended" if caught back in jersey.
And when they do eventually catch up to you,.. (they will) they (jersey) would have your license suspended in "that" state until you pay it off.
Evil I say. |
Xb12xmike
| | Posted on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 10:56 am: |
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Keep the cast on your arm for court and make sure you limp too. Maybe the judge will have morals and ethics........you never know.
Anyways...good luck!! |
Moosestang
| | Posted on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 03:29 pm: |
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All states should be online by now, so they are all connected. I tried to renew my Florida license which i've had since 96. Turns out my license in SC was suspended back in 93 and now 15 years latter I couldn't renew my Florida license because of it. Had to pay SC $100 to clear it up.
So good luck trying to get a license if another state if yours is suspended. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 02:38 am: |
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Just because I have grown a little tired of people crying about quotas and LEO's are just revenuers,
CVC 41602. No state or local agency employing peace officers or parking enforcement employees engaged in the enforcement of this code or any local ordinance adopted pursuant to this code, may establish any policy requiring any peace officer or parking enforcement employees to meet an arrest quota.
Verbatim from the California Vehicle Code 2009 edition through the 2008 legislative season.
Issuing citations is a part of a LEO's job, however it is not all we do. It is just the most commonly seen. As most of us (myself included) have only had this type of contact with LEO's when it comes to an enforcement contact. Otherwise people would be on this board talking about how they got arrested for whatever more serious crimes they committed.
I can't speak for any other state as I live and work in CA.
Ride Safe and keep the rubber side down (maybe a knee too, when the snipers aren't out and about  ) |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 07:35 am: |
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Please. My bud recently spoke to a motorcycle cop and the city wants "them" to work weekends. Not because traffic accidents are up on the weekends, but because the city is broke. All in the name of Public safety!!! yeah right. With all the BS laws we have to put up with now in the name of running our lives, it's a wonder ANY of our parents lived to be a ripe old age. How did they do it without the wise guidance of our government officials? |
Etennuly
| | Posted on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 07:48 am: |
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Ron, for where I have been to court for traffic infractions I think you have a winning case. You were below the posted speed limit(by the officers testimony), his choice of a 'safe' speed would have gotten you killed, you were not acting in an erratic uncontrolled manner. The only thing I would suggest is go back to the area and take a couple of pictures of that part of the highway and the closest speed limit sign. Do a quick measurement of the lane widths draw a poster size diagram of the highway, positions of the vehicles at the time, where you were, where the officer was, etc.
Court is kinda like a thread here without pictures. The pictures explain so much more. Doing this and emulating 'Alan Shore' the fictional character on 'Boston Legal', borrowing his mannerisms, got me, self representing, out of two situations in court like yours. You are in the right technically, you are not trying to weasel out of something in a foolish manner, you have your thoughts clearly stated in an honest forthright manner(my two judges in two different states, appreciated that). Wear proper attire, not jeans, no Buell shirts, dress shirt, tie, dress pants, and shoes. A suit coat can be overkill, you want to look good, not slick.
My first one was an infraction for a lane change violation in a construction zone. The Motorcycle Officer helped me in court when the Judge asked him to look at my pictures, clearly showing the temporary lane change signs, and chart drawing of positions of the traffic and lanes, he refused to look arguing that he knew what he saw and it was irrefutable. That pissed of the Judge, she said it was up to her to decide that. That was when I looked in the jury box where the other officers, waiting their cases, were starting to snicker and hold back laughing at him. She got really pissed telling him if he didn't have any evidence to counter mine, and wouldn't look at what I had presented.....then getting all red in the face, he interrupted her for the second time.....she reprimanded him threating 'contempt'.The nearly full courtroom erupted with clapping and laughter, those laughing the loudest and hardest were the other officers.
I was the seventh case of about fifty, and the only one to that point, to win. The Officer was ordered to sit down and wait until court was over for a meeting with the Judge. It was so cool, the way it worked out, I got a standing ovation and cheering from everyone waiting in the courthouse. Still cost me $88 costs.
I also won a traffic court case for my daughter where she was clearly doing 70 in a 55 and got ticketed for it. I used the State Trooper's own testimony against him, by asking why he ran radar where he did, in front of our property. He stated the high numbers of cars running well over the speed limit. That is where I explained to the Judge that I taught my daughter to accelerate to the speed of oncoming cars(a split four lane where we have to do a turn around) then move over to the right when it is safe to do so and slow to the speed limit. The Judge looked at me and said "you taught her that?", I said "yes, Your Honor". After sitting through twelve guilty cases in a row of 'teen drivers court day', he said "it is about time a parent taught their kid something of value.....case dismissed!". Pay costs and you are free to go. The Officer looked confused as he sat back down, he had her dead to rights, but I got her off. Yeah, we won, got it dismissed, but it still cost us $108 for court costs. At least she didn't have to pay fines on top of that, and he was handing out community service time to those teen drivers like it was free ice cream bars.
The loosing self represented cases were unprepared people with no evidence. I wrote my case study out as you have and read it several times, the last in the parking lot, just before going into the courthouse.
I got a speeding ticket subsequently and just paid it, as I was indeed guilty. Over all I have had fun with it, but I sure don't want to go back. |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 10:14 pm: |
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Anony,
Why the anony post? Please PM me with explanation. |
Rodrob
| | Posted on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 03:53 am: |
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Paint Shaker:
You quoted me -
"The key point here is that whether or not I was speeding was irrelevant."
And responded -
What ever happened to personal responsibility?
- From which one could extrapolate that you concluded that I was guilty and simply trying to get away with a crime.
I committed no crime, which is why the charge was dismissed. However had I argued the case based on my innocence, It would have come down to the officer's word and the false radar evidence, against my word. I think we could all predict the outcome. Therefore I used the best defense that was available to me.
Defending one's self against wrongful conviction is hardly a demonstration of lack of personal responsibility. I would suggest that the opposite is in fact true. |
Jdugger
| | Posted on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 08:20 am: |
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Anony,
That might be the law on the books in California, but it's a long way from the truth in Texas.
Go do some research on the Dallas County Constables.
The court elected to let the force go (disband it, basically) because Dallas City cops were serving the warrants for the county court, the primary job of the constable. And, the county was short on funds.
Instead, the chief of police for the constables started buying traffic enforcement equipment and ticketing. His force size has increased considerably. The statistics on the number of traffic citations in county court is shocking. It's gone from being a part of the docket to being almost the entirety of the caseload.
The City of DeSoto's city council, a town in Dallas county, actually passed a resolution asking the county cops to quit patrolling their town they are so aggressive.
These county cops don't respond to 911. They don't serve warrants for the courts, etc. They ONLY exist to employ themselves, generate a little bit of revenue for the county, and write tickets. That's it. That's all they do.
It's technically "legal". A constable has all the rights of any licensed peace officer in Texas. But, it's not right.
Meanwhile, Dallas city has more crime than any other city in america with more with 1M people. Lately, I've had a rash of break-ins at my shop, even one while I was there, and when I call the police, they don't come. Apparently, they are too busy writing traffic tickets, because they are ALWAYS on the service road next to my neighborhood.
And you wonder why the general public is really sick of the police? Here in Texas, there's a lot of general feeling we'd be over all better off with out them, instead putting all the money we give them to write us tickets and take more money into private securty forces that actually walk our neighborhoods.
Shed the badge for a minute at look at it from a civilian's side. |
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