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Dtx
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 09:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So I did a search, since I remember people discussing some updated seals to permanently stop the leaky clutches from the right side pin hole. I did not find an exact answer.

Last year, I got the updated Rev B Clutch cover and new seals and it lasted about 4K miles. It is now leaking again and this time its fast enough to drip.

What do I need to do to fix this? Replace the seals again? Or is there a new part out?

Thanks for the help.
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Xbswede
Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 10:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got mine fixed at Latus 4500 miles ago and it still looks great. But it was more then just a cover and seals.
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D_adams
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 01:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There's supposed to be a Rev C (?) cover in the works. Gateway HD's Buell tech knew about it, just didn't know when it was due out. I'm on my 3rd clutch cover now...
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Dirty_john
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 02:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I believe "Crowley" has a rev C cover after having major grief.
I think my 09 has the rev B cover and I inspect the clutch drain hole carefully after every ride, haven't really done enough miles yet but we shall see.
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Chevycummins
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 06:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Parts on order for mine. I think the number is X2086.1AM It is a revised piston and sleeve with new seals that are a lip seal instead of the square cut seals that leak.
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Spectrum
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 08:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Chevy has the correct part number for the new fix. It's not a rev C cover, but rather a new piston/sleeve kit. Mine was installed two weeks ago. I'm not for sure, but somewhere here it was mentioned this new Piston/Sleeve do require the Rev B cover.

X2086.1AM - Hydraulic Piston/Sleeve Kit
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Dtx
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That is the info I needed.

Thanks fellas!
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine just started weeping a few weeks ago. I'm gonna drop her off for surgery when I go on vacation in august. I'll make sure my dealer has this info. Thanks guys.
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Crowley
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 04:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Spectrum is correct. Not done many miles on mine 'coz I've been building a Jap bike for track work. I've a 7 week holiday starting next week so I'll be getting some miles on it then.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 04:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Chevy has the correct part number for the new fix. It's not a rev C cover, but rather a new piston/sleeve kit. Mine was installed two weeks ago. I'm not for sure, but somewhere here it was mentioned this new Piston/Sleeve do require the Rev B cover.

X2086.1AM - Hydraulic Piston/Sleeve Kit


Warranty work, I assume? GOOD THAT it requires Rev.B on the cover as mine is damaged from the brake fluid.

Also, a minor concern and exemplifies my lack of wrenching knowledge, will they be able to do this fix without contaminating the motor oil? I changed it last night. Or I might just wait until I roll another 3,000 on the odometer and have it fixed then.
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Crowley
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No need to contaminate. It doesn't go near the oil system.
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 05:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fres, the hydro clutch system should be completely independent of the engine oil. (I think)

If oil loss it is part of the job, they should top off or change the oil as part of the warranty work.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 05:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good point guys...i know the wet clutch shares the engine oil, but that may not be involved here. There seems to be a gasket where the cover and motor meet also. That got me thinking oil...that would be great if oil is not involved.
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 06:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The thing to remember is this clutch weep is the fluid that activates the clutch in place of the cable. It really doesn't involve the clutch mechanism itself.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 06:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1. Makes sense. I just didn't know what would "fall out" when the whole cover is removed.
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Dtx
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So can the new piston and sleeve be installed without removing the entire clutch cover? If so, that would be nice and easy.

(Message edited by dtx on July 09, 2009)
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Ccryder
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep the clutch is wet and the "wet" is the engine oil. Unlike the XB/ Tubers that have seperate oil for the engine and the clutch/ tranny/ primary drive.
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Steeleagle
Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 12:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anybody know if there's been any kind of service bulletin or other info made available for service techs to reference? I'd feel a little pushy telling them to fix a weeper with THIS part without some formal internal (HD-Buell) info. They might simply remove, inspect, reinstall and think they have it fixed. Assuming this part is THE fix, I want to go straight to it.

I had them note during my brake recall that mine was starting a little weeping. I asked them to leave it alone, pending a formal resolution and they were OK with it, but I'd feel a little better if there was an "if/then" issued by the mother ship.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 01:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I called Buell Customer Service and asked if there was a permanent fix. The lady went to the Buell techs and asked about the leaky clutch on my XB. Doh! After we got that straightened out, it was the take your bike to the dealer speech.

I emailed the service manager and gave him the part number in this thread. Hopefully, he will be able to determine what the next step is. Seems like there is always some initial confusion when a new fix is out. I think it's cause we know about it before the dealers oftentimes.
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Palerider
Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 06:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So this is a warranty coverage and not a product program upgrade?

I've had good luck so far with the Rev A cover. My luck, the warranty will run out before the fluid does.
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Dtx
Posted on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Got the part ordered today at the dealership. Man I am glad this is a warranty item, because the new Piston/Sleeve is $270.
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well I just spoke with the service manager at western reserve HD/Buell when I stopped in to get my mesh jacket. Asked him about the new part, and they're aware of it and the fact that you need the updated cover too. All systems go for repair while I'm away on vacation next month.

Nothin better than a dealer with their stuff together.
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Dtx
Posted on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My dealer has been such a good sport about all these little warranty items, I think I am going to buy my service writer and Buell Technician some gift certificates for lunch or something.

Having a good dealer makes these little annoyances so much easier.
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Chameleon
Posted on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 07:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When I last spoke to my servicing dealer on Friday they indicated that the latest clutch parts were in and would be addressed during my 31,000 mile valve check/adjust appointment this Wednesday.

(Message edited by chameleon on July 13, 2009)
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Spectrum
Posted on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hopefully Zac can confirm, by I'm pretty sure there is no "Rev C" clutch cover.

The perm fix is a new Piston/Sleeve kit and it requires the Rev B cover.
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Ducdood9
Posted on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 12:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pariah said in another thread it has been fixed, he probably has the info
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Pariah
Posted on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, Smartie Panties, it's

X2086.1AM - Hydraulic Piston/Sleeve Kit

And it goes with the Rev. B clutch cover. Just like Spectrum said. Duh...
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Ducdood9
Posted on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 01:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"smartie panties"

OK that's funny lol
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Pariah
Posted on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You just hate it when I'm right
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Frogbuster
Posted on Monday, February 15, 2010 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I feel for you. I have had my 09 1125cr in for the third time. see previous post from Frogbuster. The clutch saga continues..bike has been in shop for 3 weeks now. Supposedly fixed, dealer took a 20 mile ride, clutch continued to "go away". Dealer now has the "main tech rep" and they traced it down to a "hole" not being drilled in the clutch diaphram vacuum assembly, now waiting on parts again. (how can a hole not be drilled in a part on an assembly line). This is hard to believe from Rotax on a 730 mile babied bike!!! I hope I can again gain confidence in the bike wondering if the clutch goes out while I am in the mountains taking a little 200 or 300 mile trip. Love the machine, but I have to have confidence in it, dont want to have to worry all the time I might not get back!!! We will see.
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