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Carbonbigfoot
| | Posted on Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 10:59 am: | 
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Would anybody here venture to say that the stock fueling on any 1125 (even with the latest flash) is spot on, dead nuts perfect?
I would say no.
Why not?
Outside influences other than optimal performance (Not just power, but idle, transitions, part throttle, etc., etc., ad nauseum...) pushed upon BMC with which they must comply, or their produce does not get to market.
If you are happy with the stock tuning, should you leave it alone?
Yes.
If you want to d**k around with it and see if there is something that makes the best bike you have ever ridden even better, should you?
Yes.
Is it necessary?
NO.
Sorry, guys, but I'm chained to a damned desk for 13 hours a day, 6 days a week, and will be for the forseeable future. Anybody know of a track day in Corpus Christi, TX that runs on Sundays only?
Everybody needs a hobby, and this is one of the few that fits into my life. A little vacation every morning and every evening where nobody can get me on the phone, and if I want the fueling to be damned spot the F*** on, that's what I'm going to do.
It's not about making more power. I can't use what it makes already. But there is more to be had WRT driveability, and I'm going to go out and find it.
Rob
(Message edited by carbonbigfoot on June 27, 2009) |
Georgehitch17
| | Posted on Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 01:13 pm: |
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i completely agree about more HP not making you faster. But why do street legal cars and bikes go 200+ and 0-60 in less than three seconds?? Because its fun as hell sometimes its nice just to have the biggest and baddest even if your not a professional racer who can use every drop of that power. |
Pizzaboy
| | Posted on Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 09:56 pm: |
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Wouldnt less experienced or talented riders need more power to keep up on the straits? As an equalizer more or less?
The whole Idea of "more power will not make you faster" is not something I understand.
There are a few "hoity toity" racers on here that think they are the only ones that should be allowed more power. If power didnt matter, I would be riding a Harley.
Do you need beer? NO
Do you need tv? NO
Do you need the internet? NO
Do you need air conditioning? NO
But they sure as F*CK are nice to have arent they?
have you ever taken your 1125 to the track??
i have gone for the last two weekends, and i can say without any doubt that my bike is putting me at a disadvantage.
yes, i said DISADVANTAGE.
as the last two weekends being my FIRST track days, i dont appreciate the literbike-level power that my bike puts out compared to all of my friends who ride 600's. throttle modulation through a turn takes so much concentration that im having trouble learning body position and entry speed skills.
my bike constantly peels out and lifts the front end when i really just want to learn how to ride a track, and not overpower.
as a well experienced closed-course rider, i could understand a need for more power, but as a beginner, its too much.
the other part of the problem is how soon the torque shows up. throttle roll ons during a curve are shredding to pieces my 1000 mile old BT-016 tires |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 10:07 pm: |
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throttle roll ons during a curve are shredding to pieces my 1000 mile old BT-016 tires
I wouldn't worry too much about the sides of your tire. If you do any street riding (which I assume you do) you will still be replacing a squared off rear tire in the end. |
T_man
| | Posted on Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 10:52 pm: |
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Pizzaboy - try this: Set an imaginary HARD limit for revs at 6k. No, I'm not kidding. 6k making about 75hp. You'll immediately feel more confident on the machine, be FAR easier on tires and I betcha equal or better your lap times (being relatively new to track riding) Do this for an entire session. Next, try moving the increment up to 7k for a session. And so on and so forth. However; if things feel like they are getting too 'rushed' or your lap time gets WORSE switch back to the previous hard limit. I used to ride entire practice sessions coming nowhere near redline and by doing this my riding 'smoothed' out and when I was ready to use ALL the power available I was turning scorching lap times. Let me know how this works out for ya.
(Message edited by T_Man on June 27, 2009) |
Pizzaboy
| | Posted on Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 11:51 pm: |
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t-man:
the tach is about the last thing im looking at on the track... i only know where im at by listening to the exhaust. setting an RPM limit would be next to impossible; secondly, the bike still even at under 6k RPM has more torque and throttle response than most 600's in the prime of their powerband
im EXTREMELY tempted to buy a salvage tire junker 600 for just a track tool only. i guarantee that id be better faster riding a 600 than i would be learning on a 1125.
no offense because i LOVE my 1125 for just about everything else; its just too much motor for beginner/intermediate track riders.
getting back to the subject of this thread; having a race ECM on your bike and EVEN MORE POWER/RESPONSE would bring the suck for people who dont know how to use it. |
Socoken
| | Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 09:12 am: |
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Doesnt the race ecm have the ability to adjust the soft and hard rev limiter? If the race ecm doesnt, there are other ways to do that. |
Gregtonn
| | Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 12:43 pm: |
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...throttle modulation through a turn takes so much concentration that im having trouble learning body position and entry speed skills...
On your next track day try this. Select a gear, probably 3rd or 4th and stay in that gear all the way around the track. Try not to use your brakes, set up corner speeds by modulating your throttle. Don't worry about lap speeds just concentrate on entry speeds, taking the correct line through the corners and being smoooooth.
You may be surprised how this will improve your skills.
G |
T_man
| | Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 12:52 pm: |
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+1 to that Gregtonn. Along the same lines I was thinking. |
Palmer
| | Posted on Sunday, June 28, 2009 - 03:39 pm: |
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I wasted a lot of money in aftermarket and tuning for my XB. Literally, wasted money. When i selled all this stuff, i got back %40 of the original price.
And for what? nothing, just the illusion of have more power&torque. Of course, tuning bikes and cars is always fascinating, but now i have understand how i prefer to waste my money.
Like a 10 days Lybian Raid with brand new Husqvuarna's next year. You know such stuff.
And, if you want , to ride hard and have fun on the track, juss buy a 2004 R1, fiberglass fairings, no lights, no problems.
But with the bike I love to ride in the WE, this bike has to be STOCK, like erik thinked it.
On the street there's no way to use ALL the massive amount of torque of a '25.
Go Out and Ride!
(Message edited by Palmer on June 28, 2009) |
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