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Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 11:11 pm: | 
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Keith Code is not the end all be all of track school instructors. I think it was Pridmore who said said Keith Code was a knob.
There is to "right" way to do it. Many fast riders do use the rear brake. Many fast riders don't.
It's silly to hang the entire argument on Keith Code.
Pretty sure he doesn't walk on motorcycle water. |
Mr_incognito
| | Posted on Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 11:16 pm: |
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This Code guy must not be that great because ive never even heard his name. And besides, when it comes to riding and being fast, theres not just one way to do it. Everyone has their own style or way of doing things. |
Kttemplar
| | Posted on Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 11:20 pm: |
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I use the rear brake to scrub off speed going into a turn or in a turn, since the front brake makes the bike stand up.
Mike
(Message edited by kttemplar on June 20, 2009) |
Jdugger
| | Posted on Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 11:27 pm: |
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In his day, Code was a top-10 AMA guy, and has gone on to run a pretty successful ride school that travels about the US.
His curriculum is fairly developed, and works for a wide range of riders. His schools are well run and have a good reputation. They are not "race" schools, per se, but target a wider range of riders.
As you get to club racing speeds, you will find some of the advice/skills to be a bit general, but then, even club race speeds are the top half of a half-percent of motorcyle riders. For the average rider, I think any of Code's program would yield benefit. |
Jdugger
| | Posted on Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 11:32 pm: |
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> since the front brake makes the bike stand up.
You are doing something wrong in your application of the brake.
The front brake steepens the steering gemoetry which should make turn in easier.
Just stay committed to the countersteer pressure on the bar, and the bike will turn in, even under heavy braking.
I just took some video today to work specifically on my trail braking, and even with my lame skills it clearly shows turn in under heavy front brake loading. |
Kttemplar
| | Posted on Saturday, June 20, 2009 - 11:39 pm: |
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Jdugger,
Thanks for the info. I will have to pay more attention to that the next time and try what you mentioned.
Mike |
Naiguy
| | Posted on Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 12:47 am: |
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Keith does not teach to not use the rear brake. In his book twist of the wrist 2 he states that dragging a little rear brake mid corner can help tighten your exit line since closing the throttle and or hitting the front will make the motorcycle run wide. This is just one of many applications for rear brake he teaches. |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 05:10 am: |
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It's silly to hang the entire argument on Keith Code.
It's a supplement.
From Twist is the Wrist II:
"It is my recommendation that you master using only the front brake except when riding in slippery conditions. The rear wheel spinning, provides the vast majority of stability for the bike from the steering head back. In other words, everything but the front end is kept stable by the gyro force of the spinning rear wheel." --Keith Code
He goes on to warn of the rear brake being a source of a huge number of crashes, etc. He does not specifically state to "forget" the rear brake, but he certainly implies it.
"It's just a waste of time, you spend too much effort getting a little braking for the rear. I don't even put my foot on it except coming into the garage." --Doug Chandler (wrote the notes/comments in TOTW II)
Keith Code also writes about the $10 of attention. I simple don't feel the return on investment of utilizing the rear brake is there. As far as rear brake use, I would rather spend the $1 or $2 of attention it costs on other aspects of my riding--where I get a better ROI. I like the KISS method I guess.
(Message edited by fresnobuell on June 21, 2009) |
Ducdood9
| | Posted on Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 07:58 am: |
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Keeping it simple is Keith Codes way of teaching, but races are won by very small margins where everything counts thats why EVERYTHING is reviewed and exploited and all tools are used like the rear brake.
I think Keith Code purposely choose to not spend time teaching the rear brake as so few would benefit from it similar to a slipper clutch in rush hour traffic. |
Donutclub
| | Posted on Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 08:24 am: |
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It's agreed that trail braking into corners can win races. However, this technique requires some fairly advanced skills, which eludes your average street rider.
It really is a matter of physics (as stated by Court). If the rear wheel is off of the ground, what good does the rear brake really do? It can certainly do great harm if it gets locked up in a skid and the back comes around. Again, it's a matter of physics. That big gyroscope of a rear wheel lends stability as long as it remains in a "forward spinning motion" and it doesn't like to go sideways. |
Ducdood9
| | Posted on Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 08:52 am: |
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Pariah
| | Posted on Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 12:16 pm: |
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This discussion has been good. But bad advice can get somebody killed, especially when it concerns the rear brake. Whatever you do, practice and be safe... no matter what philosophy you subscribe to, conditions are always unpredictable, and therein lies the real value of any guru's opinion... it always depends.
Speaking of which, if you plan to try riding like Reuben Xaus, you will need these:
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Clbofaz
| | Posted on Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 02:36 pm: |
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Pariah, well stated. Thinks that's the moto for any discussion wheres there's several schools of thought. |
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