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Dman
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What's available, now or shortly?

I'm looking to pickup a bike real soon & have the 1125R on my short list, but I want to do casual track days, hate to think of a slow simple low side on the 1125 frame ... grind. Any frame sliders, etc out there?

Thnx.
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P_squared
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dark Horse Moto has sliders. Best aftermarket mod available IMO.
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Xl1200r
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 11:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dman -

The radiator pods act as frame sliders. They are cheap to replace in the event of a crash and actually have a leaf spring inside them to absord the impact. No other frame protection is needed.

The Dark Horse Moto axle sliders work well to protect the swingarm (the '09s have spools from the factory so not needed, but the '08s do not), and the bottom of the front forks in the event of a downer.
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Dman
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow, that's interesting, thanks for the info! That was a major concern, thanks.
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1_mike
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 03:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Xi, Dman -

Not true. I've seen a few with badly scraped and broken case covers, both on this board (pictures) and in person!

Might want to rethink that radiator pod is all you need idea!

There are some carbon fiber case covers available. Don't have the address here. Use the "search" function.
I'll be getting a pair.

Mike
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P_squared
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Taylormade CF case covers if I'm not mistaken. Pics in the racing board: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/158 664/450519.html?1240365535
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Brapbrapbrap
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes the Pods can help but so would waffle irons or anything else that stuck out that far on a bike.

Every Accident is different, take a look here.

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/457848.html?1241579806
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 05:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Brap, you're a tard. You don't even have an 1125. You're a wanna be and you don't know anything.

Anyway, the pods ARE designed to to protect the FRAME. They have a leaf spring like thing in them to absorb the blow. That other product mentioned will help protect the engine cases. Dark horse moto swing arm and fork sliders have been proven for years to save you a lot of cash in a drop.

Of course, the only way to ensure no damage occurs is to not crash.
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Black9
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 05:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 Bad...
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Brapbrapbrap
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 05:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Waffle Iron Haters?
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Doerman
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep. We're leaning more towards skillets here.
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Unibear12r
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 06:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I thought we were all pots and kettles!
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Dipstick
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 06:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Brap is right, I have seen two 1125R's behind my shop with scraped frames. No details on what happened but it looks like frame pucks would have saved at least one of them. A set of long sliders attached at the upper engine mounts that extends past or is even with the pods seems like a good idea to me. That being said, my 1125R got knocked over in a parking lot and the right pod did it's job of protection in that area. Damage was to Mirror, (slight) bar end, brake lever and clutch cover. No damage to faring or rear section of bike, passenger foot peg protected that area along with the swingarm sliders that come on an 09.
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Dman
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe a solution like Dipstick describes is on the horizon ... the pods protection makes sense, pucks or sliders would just be perfect.
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Kttemplar
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From what I understand, GSG-Moto is working on clutch and stator sliders for the 1125R.


Mike
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Kttemplar
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 09:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you are really worried about it and close to Middletown PA, you could give Powers Stuntworx a call and see if they would design a cage for you. Probably will have to provide the bike for them and it will probably be more expensive than the $299 they charge for their other cages, but may be worth it in the long run. They have some products for other Buell models. Or just find out where the local stunt riders get their cages made and see what they will do for you. Many produce their own cages or there is someone it he group that does. Just some thoughts.

Mike
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Gschuette
Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 09:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Waffle Iron Haters?

LMAO
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Xbcrazy
Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 02:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are these what you are looking for?

If so, we just finished making the first run and they are off to be anodized.







FYI...They are CNC machined from 6061 and are 0.1" taller than the stock plastic units for more crash protection. Our prototype parts have been working flawlessly on BadWeb member Walt Sloyer's track only 1125R. No crashes to date, so no ther pics to show.

They will retail for $59.99 and, of course, the 10% BadWeb discount will apply. Since they technically are not released yet, call or e-mail me if you are interested. I can provide an extra discount for anyone willing to order and wait for them to be finished.
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P_squared
Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 03:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Those look really nice Pete.

Is the price for 1 or a pair?
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Xbcrazy
Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That is for the pair. Thanks for helping me clarify that small detail.

Also, they will be available in black or silver anodize or raw polished.

Pete
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 05:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There are "tipovers" and there are "crashes".

There is the odd tipover where all hell breaks lose and the bike gets totaled. There are odd crashes where virtually no damage is done.

You can't look at a crash and think that the damage is due to a tipover.

I've seen many Buells after "crashes" with virtually no damage. I've seen Buells after "crashes" with SOME damage. When they've told the story of what happened, these were SEVERE "crashes" with SOME damage.

NO level of protection is going to afford you a bike with NO damage at 80MPH through a gravel pit and into a tree.
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Brapbrapbrap
Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 07:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow, the higher the speed the more damage? That's crazy talk.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 08:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You'd think that all bikes that were damaged were only due to tipover damage and the failure of frame pucks or pods by the way folks talk.

Just because there is case damage it doesn't mean that ANYTHING would have prevented it.
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Brapbrapbrap
Posted on Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I race Supermoto. YES ALL damages can be cut to zero and in a bad case you may wear the intended point of contact (add-on) vs the more expensive bike components.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Thursday, May 21, 2009 - 01:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ALL damages can be cut to zero

You're on crack.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, May 21, 2009 - 01:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 ft bstrd.

that stmt is absurd.
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Brapbrapbrap
Posted on Thursday, May 21, 2009 - 01:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah "all" is a bit overstated in one direction as some statements are in the other direction, I apologize.

But I have seem many bikes go flying end over end on asphalt with nothing more than some scratches. There may be no correlation between Supermoto and Street Bikes but I feel confident that you can minimize damages with proper preventative measures.

The first poster asked a valid question and deserves more of an answer than springy pods.
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Thursday, May 21, 2009 - 07:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Brap is right, ALL damage can be prevented.

All u have to do is keep the bike upright
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Jaimec
Posted on Thursday, May 21, 2009 - 08:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Or, you could throw your body under the bike to protect it...
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Court
Posted on Thursday, May 21, 2009 - 08:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Or you could study the 7 criteria that the Courts have held a manufacturer need to comply with to claim a "safe design". . . . .

: )

I have a bad habit of collecting legal casebooks and cases on liability, tort and motorcycle design.
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