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White79bu
Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 08:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anybody use the lap timer on their 1125r when doing track days? I never messed with it last year but this year I would like to start recording my times. I have thought about buying a XT Mini lap timer that works off of a transmitter.
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Cutty72
Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Never used it. Had more important things on my mind when riding on the track than pushing a button to mark end of lap.
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Duggram
Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Great topic and timely for me. I'm about to get a Starlane Athon from Pete at Grand Stand Designs. But have thought about the stock timer. The problem I see with it is that I have so many things on my mind at the track I can't remember to work out using the stock timer.

I also use a GoPro camera which is really simple. Turn it on before you go on the track and you don't have to think about it again till you get to the pits after your run. My point is that devices like this, lap timers & cameras need to be something that you start before going out on the track and then forget.

For this reason I decided to wait till I can afford the Athon. It records all your times up to 999 laps, has 3 other splits per lap, shows you a map with your periods of acceleration and deceleration. It also down loads via Bluetooth to a laptop (mac or PC). Great learning tool. They are pricey but if you are interested talk to Pete.

Now I'm looking forward to comments from others.
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Slaughter
Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Most folks still use the Mychron or Ultralap. They trigger off of a pulsed infrared signal from a beacon put out (usually) at start/finish.

The only problem is on track days where multiple people put out beacons and then NOBODY gets usable lap times.

Splits are gotten by putting out second beacon.

GPS-based systems are much better for analyzing things after the fact - but for laptimes, I'd tend to go with an aftermarket system and not rely on your memory to trigger the laptimer lap-after-lap... my brain doesn't operate in that mode... too much else going on.
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Patrickmitchell
Posted on Monday, February 16, 2009 - 08:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I run an Ultra Lap XT lap timer. http://www.cc-2000.com/xtracing/en/products.html

Most track day organizations put out a beacon, so all you need is the receiver. It runs on AA batteries, data can be down loaded to a computer, etc. It is perfect for track days.

The Starlane is an amazing system. If you want data collection, GPS plotting... a full race set up; this is the way to go. It is VERY expensive compared to the XT.

The stock timers (my 675 has a similar system) require you to trip them manually on each lap. Best case this is not accurate. Worst case it is a distraction and a potential problem.

Buy something aftermarket and go have fun!

(Message edited by PatrickMitchell on February 16, 2009)
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Xbcrazy
Posted on Monday, February 16, 2009 - 11:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, as Duggram mentioned above, GrandStanddesigns.com just started carrying the Athon Starlane systems. There are 4 different units starting at $600 going all the way to the $1500 data acquisition system. Call ahead if you want to order so that I can give you the 10% BadWeb discount on your order.

Thanks, Pete
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Slaughter
Posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2009 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I watched Higbee using his GPS based system for analysis at the dinner table. He is able to get acceleration and deceleration and also compare lines through the turns. VERY impressive tool if you know how to use it.

You can get instantaneous speeds anywhere along the course and compare lap-by-lap so when you're making gearing changes, you can see the REAL effects in terms of acceleration and top speeds in particular sections of the track.

cool stuff!

(Message edited by slaughter on February 17, 2009)
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R2s
Posted on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 01:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The stock unit actually works quite well for what it is. It seems complex at first,but you set it up in the pit and after a couple warm up laps you hit the high beam flasher button at the start finish line and every time you cross it after that. At most tracks its on a strait away anyways. It stops automatically when you stop back in the pit. It tells you fastest lap, slowest, average... all kinds of neat stuff. Its not as complete as a GPS based unit, you can't analyze how you are doing at different sections of the track, but if you are just looking to track you overall progress it works pretty good, and its free.
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