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White79bu
Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am in need of a new rear on my 1125r. The bike only has 2400 miles on it but it does have 5 track days. I am still a newbie when it comes to track days. My first 3 were novice and the last two were in the intermediate group. My front still looks new and the rear is starting to flatten out in the center from riding back and forth two work.My question is should
I replace the front when I replace the rear? I am planning on doing atleast six track days this year. I emailed Pirelli and they recommended replacing the front with the rear due to heat cycles. If you guys have any suggestions on tires let me know. I am trying to do everything on a budget.
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Dtx
Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You can probably "get away" with keeping the front tire and replacing the rear. But, If it were me, and I knew I was going to be doing some track days, I would go ahead and get new shoes, front and back.

Check out the new Bridgestone 016's. They are multi-compound and worked good for me on the track. Plus they are quite a bit cheaper then the Pirelli's.
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Froggy
Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tires are the only part of your bike that contacts the ground, why take the risk? Throw a new pair on just before your next track day.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 01:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good call on the 016s. I love em and how can you beat the price? you can get front for $95, rather than $135 for the Corsa III. Makes it hurt alot less to replace a tire with some life still on it.

And not to mention the front 016 is a multi-compound--the front Corsa III is not.

Lastly, I feel the 016s are superior to the Corsa IIIs in overall performance.
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White79bu
Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just did some quick research on the 016's and they seem like a great tire. I found a set shipped to my door for $239. Man that is cheap. I was going to pay $190 for a rear Corsa III alone. I think I am going to give the 016's a try. I am glad I posted something. I am going to save a ton compared to Pirelli.

How well do the 016's heat up? I don't run tire warmers. I can normally have the Corsa III's warmed in the first lap or so.
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Xbswede
Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+2 on the 016's. I have 500 mile on my set and they perform better in mixed weather riding then the Corsa III's did.
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Chadhargis
Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 08:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I typically run Corsa III or Pilot Power 2CT on the track and I pay $285 a SET including shipping.

Both are good tires, but I actually prefer the Pirelli's. I had a chance to ride a friends RC51 with Bridgestones, and I really liked how they felt. I may give them a shot next set.

If they are good enough for Rossi, they're good enough for me. : )
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Paint_shaker
Posted on Monday, January 19, 2009 - 12:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you shop around online, you can find Corsa IIIs for around $285 a set, shipped. Maybe less...
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Duggram
Posted on Monday, January 19, 2009 - 07:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you have the budget why not go with DOT race tires? I switched to medium compound Bridgestone BT003's and dropped my lap times about 4 seconds a lap. I had too much trouble with tire spin and side slip with the Corsa 3's. I wanted to go faster. On the street they won't wear as fast as on the track. Be careful though, cause for sure once you try them you won't go back.
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White79bu
Posted on Monday, January 19, 2009 - 08:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My goal is to find a second set of wheels and then maybe buy a set of track day only tires. But I need to buy warmers and a generator. But thats not in the budget for this year. My main goal is track time. That's why I haven't done any mods to the bike. I am planning on spending most of my budget on track days. Plus I had to buy a new suit and helmet this year which was a good hit in the wallet.
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Hooliagn
Posted on Monday, January 19, 2009 - 09:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How do you guys feel about the pilot 2ct's in comparison ?
I had them on my Duc liked them but I have the CR that I really haven't riden yet. I know the pilot is wider but I don't know how some of you more experienced riders feel about the two. Rider let me know please ???
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Patrickmitchell
Posted on Monday, January 19, 2009 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I run DC IIIs on my track bike. I get 3-5 days out of them. There is a noticeable "feel" when they really start to go off. Remember, tires are cheap compared to crashing. NESBA and TPM run regular deals on tires ($300 or less per set, installed).

Race tires are great if you are racing. Most "I" group and bellow riders can't keep enough heat in a race tire to reap the benefits. If you don't get race tires hot enough, they are actually worse and can hurt more than they help. On top of that, race tires last one day or less. 1-2 seconds per lap is not worth anything at a track day...

Warmers: DC IIIs, Pilot Powers, Dunlop qualifiers, etc don't require warmers. They heat up in around two laps and wear like iron compared to race tires. Save your money and by more track days. Warmers become a requirement when running race tires. Once again, the average track day rider won't be able to keep the heat from the warmers in the tires. There is NO BENEFIT to putting warmers on the previously mentioned tires.

I hope this helps!
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Kttemplar
Posted on Monday, January 19, 2009 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I picked up a Diablo Rosso rear for about $160 and they are on sale now for about $147.


(Message edited by kttemplar on January 19, 2009)
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Paint_shaker
Posted on Monday, January 19, 2009 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"There is NO BENEFIT to putting warmers on the previously mentioned tires."

I am going to disagree with that statement.

I have run warmers on Corsa IIIs and it allows me to run at speed from the first lap.

I should note that I am running them an an XB and turning fast intermediate/slow expert times at my local track. Back in Dec, New12 followed me around the track and observed me smoking and laying down a black strip. This was leaned pretty good, coming out of a turn and getting on the gas. However, I didn't feel much if any slip.

I should also note when I ran an 1125r at the track at those speeds, I did notice a little bit of slip, if I was still at too much lean and gave it too much throttle.

I have also noticed the Corsa IIIs are pretty predictable and very forgiving.

Your results may vary.
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Tnxbrider
Posted on Monday, January 19, 2009 - 12:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good shoes do make all the difference in the world both on the street and the track. Tire warmers might be worth the effort for Rossi... not so much for a track day guy. 2nd set of wheels is a great option as used track day tires make for very good commuters. Brand you pick, riding style, bike set-up, tire pressures, etc. These will all give you either very favorable or negative results. Just make them all work together. Pilot powers worked great on my 12R. Not so well on the 1125. Most recently I put Super Corsa's on for track day. Great grip, a bit pricey... I'll have to listen in about your latest purchase to see how they fare.
Best of luck...
T
P.s. don't forget to support your dealer if they are any good... they need your support if you wish for them to continue with a Buell focus. If they are not any good... well then that's another story.
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