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Duggram
Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 03:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They're recessed. Do you try to come at them from the end and angle toward the center?
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Slaughter
Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 04:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you can't counterbore the rim down a little, and don't have access to a machine shop to lathe-turn some bushings to "lift" the bolts upward, you are left with drilling through the rim of the bolt in one location and tying both bolts together that way.

I have a couple bushings that I have used to "lift" the bolts up about 0.09 inch. Problem is that because of clearance around the bolts, you can't just use washers.
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Duggram
Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 04:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thought about your method which led to taking bolt out, holding the head at ~45 degree & bevel on a grinder, punch, drill on press. Re-torque bolt, slide safety wire down bevel into hole. It works.

Thank you.

BTW I'm finishing up my WERA safety wiring this evening. Axles look do-able but the oil lines worry me. I'll save them for last.
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Slaughter
Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've still got my heads off... building brackets for the new bodywork. HOPE the heads come in later in the week so I can re-assemble without rushing... we'll see.

Have FUN in Vegas - sorry I'm going to miss it.

Be SURE to stop off to talk with Austin DeHaven. He and his father are VERY interested in having him racing on a Buell - and since he declined to sign the Red Bull contract this year (couldn't have raced in another series - among other issues) - he's kicking butt on his R6 and RS125.

His Father - Eric DeHaven is totally cool. You really ought to meet them when you're up there. Austin just looks like your typical 14 year old but then when he starts talking racing - LOOK OUT. He had fastest lap at Indianapolis, finished on the podium and last year was winning or on the podium every time he turned a wheel at Willow Springs. Seriously, stop and say HI to them. Tell them that Slaughter put you up to it. They're very approachable.

A decade from now, you can say you knew the kid when he was just starting out as a PRO racer (at 14, he has AMA, WERA, WSMC and FIM professional licenses)
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 05:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here's a pic from Skully's bike...
My first race of the season is in May....
WILL SPRING HURRY UP AND GET HERE!!!


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Duggram
Posted on Saturday, January 10, 2009 - 05:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Steve, I'll definitely check with the Dehavens. Good luck.

Mark I feel your pain. I spent most of my life in Alaska. Thanks for the pic.
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Jjr1125
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 07:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is good information. I keep looking at the oil filter and can't figure out how to safety wire it? How have others wired it?
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 07:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

take a large hose clamp and tighten it around the oil filter.
Then run your safety wire to the hose clamp.

(Message edited by wolfridgerider on February 03, 2010)
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 07:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=6817&post=531197#POST531197
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Jjr1125
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mark,
That will work great for an XB but not on an 1125. They don't have spin on filters. It is a metal casing with a cartridge held in place by two round head bolts.
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 04:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bump out of the archive.

Couldn't you wire together both the bolts holding the oil filter lid? Similar to the caliper pic above.
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Thunderbike
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 04:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I did'nt see this on this thread.But,if you get longer bolts and space them out with quality washers,or better yet a spacer.you have no problem safety wiring the caliper bolts.Thats how we do it on the XB and 1125R race bikes.
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Buellfreak
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 08:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I feel dumb. But whats the point of having this safety wire? should I put it on mine?
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 08:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Usually safety wire on various bits is required to pass tech inspection at a track. Losing an oil drain plug on a track can be disastrous and ruin many peoples days. For a street rider, it isn't necessary but it couldn't hurt.
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Johnnys999
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tastynuts Pro Bolt may have a slightly longer bolt head already pre-drilled in either polished aluminum or titanium. Length and pitch would do it for sizing. That way the bolt head would stick out enough to make wiring easy. They make some knock-out looking pre-drilled titanium bolts.

(Message edited by JohnnyS999 on February 04, 2010)
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Jdugger
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 09:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tastynuts doesn't carrry SAE, though. I'm pretty sure the caliper bolts are grade-8, 3/8-16.

Aluminum isn't advisable because it can't handle the recommended torque which is going to put an enormous amount of sheer load on the fastener.

Titanium (grade 5) would be the safe bet if you can find it.
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Dipstick
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just drilled the oil filter cap bolts and safetied them together, running around the side of the cap.
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Johnnys999
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 05:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm so used to metric, I forgot. Yeah, not aluminum but stainless bolts, but without SAE no can do.

I wonder if you could use some small washers inside the countersunk caliper bolt hole, thus raising the height of the bolt. That way it will be accessible to safety wire. You might need a slightly longer caliper bolt though.
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Westmoorenerd
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 06:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Man coming from aviation...I'd have to say that's some crappy safety wiring, we're always taught for 3-5 twists per inch. Of course there's not as much vibrations on a bike as on an F-18.
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Jdugger
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 07:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Crappy? As in overtwisted?
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Blur
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I taught a friend of mine how to safety wire when I started racing and he went to the navy shortly after that (do to chopper maintenance). When he came back he told me my safety wire looked pretty crappy.

It's always worked well for me.

As soon as it gets warmer I plan on slowly drilling my CR for saftey wire.

Even though I don't plan on putting it on the track I like having it for back up and peace of mind.
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Westmoorenerd
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 04:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep, over twisted. 3-5 twist per inch is the standard for Navy aviation, but the stress on the safety wire is much greater. Once you start twisting it too much you'd be surprised how easily it can break off sometimes though.

Edit...sorry, I don't know what I was thinking I was talking to one of my buddies how's a A&P certified and he reminded me 6-8 per inch.

(Message edited by westmoorenerd on February 04, 2010)
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Family_buells
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 05:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 from another A&P. I see safety wire over-twisted all the time on racebikes.

Jdugger, Is it really an SAE bolt? I thought everything was metric on the 1125.
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Jdugger
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yea, it's SAE. 3/8-16, I believe.
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