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Slypiranna
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 09:32 am: | 
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I thought you had more room with a vagina? |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 09:36 am: |
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>>>These guys must really vaginas or something.
take that back! . . . we strive to maintain an excellent relationship with vaginas.
Reading MCN for information motorcycles is like being taught to be a responsible adult by (just arrested for the 2nd time) Plaxico Burress. |
Diablo1
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 10:02 am: |
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It sounds like they graded the bike this way:
Rotax....A-
Buell....C- |
Pariah
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 10:09 am: |
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Shortly put, MCN is not credible journalism and in the result can offer nothing to 'improve the breed' as some are suggesting.
I wasn't aware of this Honda V5 VFR scandal, but I do know that MCNews has the most complete rating system used in reviews of any magazine I've read, and their safety articles ("Proficient Motorcycling") are hands down the best information on riding well published anywhere.
And, Dentguy, this is an 1125R forum, of course some of us will be annoyed at bad reviews... and it wasn't some minor aspect these people put down. They put down basically every aspect about the bike except the engine!
It's annoying b/c it's idiots like these reviewers who place obstacles in the path of innovation in almost every human endeavor, be it technology, art, governance or education... I'm one for change, and, yeah, I've got a chip on my shoulder! 
(Message edited by Pariah on December 24, 2008) |
Pariah
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 10:18 am: |
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Oops... my apologies... looks like I thought y'all meant a different MCN...  |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 11:14 am: |
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I've a bone to pick with THAT "MCN" too, Pariah.
Back in 2001 when the 1800cc GoldWing came out, they did the most biased, inaccurate comparison article I'd EVER read between the Wing and the BMW K1200LT. It read like a Honda Press Release. At that point, I gave up on their so-called "unbiased reporting" and canceled my subscription.
Funny thing, about two months after that article came out, Fred Rau had an editorial RAVING about his "Brand New, Honda GL1800 GoldWing!"
Years later I spoke to an MCN rep at Americade who was trying to convince me to resubscribe. I told him why I'd canceled, and he got all quiet and admitted they got a LOT of complaints and cancellations over that article. Maybe a few more positive Buell reports will convince me they're "back on message." I'll admit that when I'm over my friend's house, I'll read his copies if I find them lying around. |
Buellborn
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 11:31 am: |
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You know guys they did pay a lot of compliments too. I'm not sure complaining is going to win them over? I could be wrong. |
Eaton_corners
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 12:04 pm: |
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These guys lost me when they said it was "cramped". I could have listened to their review with an open mind if they would have opened theirs. I'm 5'11" and am as comfortable as can be on this type of bike.On the other hand, I test rode a Yamaha R1 at Barber back in November. If they want to know what cramped is they need look no further than your typical IL4 sportbike. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 02:40 pm: |
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Friendly Ergos; Ergo, Comfort
Unlike certain severely focused Italian superbikes which will go unnamed, the Buell 1125R is ergonomically biased more towards comfort than outright performance. Footpegs are relatively low (in order to prevent lower leg scrunching), and the handlebar is in a forward position, but not so dramatically as to cause long-term discomfort. After several hundred miles of riding, I found the 1125R to strike an excellent balance between comfort and sportiness. Though the somewhat thinly padded seat becomes more forgiving when rider weight is shifted towards its rear, it never felt punishingly uncomfortable. A rear seat is hidden underneath the rear cowl, which provides a sporty one-up look when in place.
http://motorcycles.about.com/od/newmotorcyclerevie ws/fr/Buell_1125R_Rev.htm
It wasn’t until the drive home from a day in the saddle of the new Buell 1125R at Virginia International Raceway, that the best feature of the new liquid-cooled sportbike became clear. Cruising along in my ancient Honda listening to a little Barry Manilow on the cassette player, while wondering if it’s the smell of stale Burger King or the blue velour seats that puts the girls off, I realized my legs weren’t even stiff. Normally, at my advance aged, a full day of thrashing the pants of a sport bike on a racetrack comes with a certain amount of muscle fatigue and soreness. Wriggling around on the decade old coffee stains and chewing gum patches, while singing along to a chorus of Mandy, I also realized my neck wasn’t even slightly stiff. As I had spent the majority of the day doing everything in my power to chase down Schwantz School instructor Harry Vanderlinden on an identical machine, I know I hadn’t been taking it easy. So I have to take my hat off to the 1125R’s ergonomicsfor my physical condition and retract some early thoughts I had of the Buell’s newest sportbike.
http://motorcycling.speedtv.com/article/2008-buell -1125r-tested-at-virginia-international-raceway/
The first thing that's obvious when I sit on the Buell is that the ergonomics are more relaxed than most sportbikes today. Leg room is ample, and the handgrips are not punishingly low.
http://www.amadirectlink.com/riding/reviews/2008/1 125R/
While thoughtful ergonomics make the Buell 1125R easy enough to ride over long distances, the bike's true test comes under more demanding circumstances: high-performance riding. It is, after all, a tremendously capable motorcycle which intends to run with the likes of potent competitors like the Kawasaki ZX-12R and the Suzuki GSXR-1000.
http://motorcycles.about.com/od/newmotorcyclerevie ws/fr/Buell_1125R_Rev_2.htm
We started our ride on the street, where it didn’t take very long to realize that the ergonomics of the 1125 are actually somewhat comfortable--the clip-ons aren’t super low and the footpegs aren’t ridiculously high. The electronic fuel injection needed more calibration work under 3,000 rpm, but with such a flat torque curve there’s plenty of grunt to get you going once you’re past that mark, no matter what gear you’re in. Speaking of gears, it’s immediately apparent from the first click that the gearbox on the 1125R is light years ahead of its air-cooled siblings. Only slight flicks of the toe were all it took to choose a gear. Say what you will about the front cowling, it offers great wind protection...even while sitting up!
http://www.ridermagazine.com/output.cfm?id=1684333
Said plainly these guys don't know:
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Buellborn
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 03:24 pm: |
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ROFL!!! |
Crowley
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 03:45 pm: |
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Don't worry fellas. MCN is seen as a pretty crap comic by most bikers. They managed to fall off the 1125R they were given to test earlier this year and the journalist briefly started posting on our site (ukbeg) but soon left after a lot of piss taking. Lacking in moral fiber, I think
Bruntingthorpe isn't a road cicuit or a race track and pulling wheelies up and down a runway isn't a 'review'.
Word is getting out in the UK that the 1125 is a sensational beast |
Racerxusa
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 04:02 pm: |
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Thanks Crowley from the other coast. I kind of figured that. Have a great holiday season.
(Message edited by racerxusa on December 24, 2008) |
Pariah
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 04:30 pm: |
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Ft_bstrd,
Interestingly, the last paragraph you cite was written by Troy Siahaan. One gets the impression he likes the bike. Since joining Sport Rider, however, it seems his views towards the 1125R/CR have changed--- likely influenced by the old guys there (Trevitt and Kunitsugu)--- and the reviews of the Buell he's written for Sport Rider seem much harsher. Go figure.
Jaime: Sorry to hear your on the fence with MCNews... with the crap I read in every rag, it's hard to say which is most credible. For my two cents, I like Motorcyclist and MCNews best out of the US mags, and TWO and Bike out of the UK. So far...
(Message edited by Pariah on December 24, 2008) |
Eboos
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 04:54 pm: |
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I find it funny that they alone seem to be the only ones in the universe that gave the CR even a hint of a bad review. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 04:56 pm: |
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Ft_bstrd,
Interestingly, the last paragraph you cite was written by Troy Siahaan. One gets the impression he likes the bike. Since joining Sport Rider, however, it seems his views towards the 1125R/CR have changed--- likely influenced by the old guys there (Trevitt and Kunitsugu)--- and the reviews of the Buell he's written for Sport Rider seem much harsher. Go figure.
Jaime: Sorry to hear your on the fence with MCNews... with the crap I read in every rag, it's hard to say which is most credible. For my two cents, I like Motorcyclist and MCNews best out of the US mags, and TWO and Bike out of the UK. So far...
I think that EVERY magazine has cultural biases. Sometimes the bias is harder to see. Other times it is very evident.
Sport Rider has always had a bias toward the big three to me. The review by Siahaan WAS much harsher. I can only guess that jawboning with those much less generous to this first water cooled effort had something to do with it.
http://www.sportrider.com/features/146_0809_2008_b uell_1125r/index.html} |
Slypiranna
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 08:01 pm: |
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I'm still stuck on vaginas...and the room that they allow taken up herein?!  ...and that is just for the public record herein that I am a male owner without a vagina! HAHA...LMAO!
WE'd do better tho, herein, if there was more female input, I'm sure. Before any post against this, look at the stats, vagina(S) usually is right! Whether you wish to believe or adhere to that is besides the point! 
MOVING ON...in what way does this thread and/or review help the Buell and/or ownership cause?
It seems obvious that many owners are offended by what has been reviewed in nearly all, rag reviews.
WHAT IS IT, that the majority of owners wish to read in a review? I'd love to read positive posts in regard to those on the outside.
HOW DO WE, AS OWNERS AND THOSE INVOLVED, HELP THEM, DO THEIR JOB BETTER VIA POSTING INFORMATIVE INFO relevant?
While I await...I'm going back to research on the vagina...MUCH more interesting...mm!  |
M2nc
| | Posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 12:10 am: |
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I just read the review of the CR in Cycle World. They shoot pretty straight about the bike, the company and the original launch of the 1125R last year.
Opening Paragraph.
"Whether you like them or not, there is no denying that Buell Motorcycles have brought to market a lot of daring technical features and designs that other larger, more conservative bike-makers would not even consider."
Closing Sentence.
"If this keeps up, perhaps other manufactures may copy more that the muffler."
MCN is out on their own on this one. |
Spectrum
| | Posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 11:29 am: |
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SLY,
I want the reviewer to call it like they see it based on the facts. Positive or negative comments in a review are welcome as long as they are based on fact and the reviewer spent enough saddle time under varying conditions to truly get an accurate feel for the bike.
My problem with this review was it was just the opposite. They spent minimal saddle time on the bike in freezing conditions. Of course your not going to get to understand the machine or enjoy your ride in these circumstances.
Thus my comment about a drive by review |
Slypiranna
| | Posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 11:41 am: |
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I see your point Spectrum but are not most magazine reviews the same, limited seat/drive by type?
Thus, similar in comparing?
I've only read a very few long term motorcycle tests but perhaps I miss some of the good one's that many here seem to know of.
>>>>In using my head a little more...you've got a great point concerning the weather. I did overlook that. My apologies. mm
(Message edited by slypiranna on December 25, 2008) |
Hwyranger
| | Posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 12:52 pm: |
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cramped huh????
I am 6'3 and I have all the room I need on this bike...On the IL4's, I have to fold myself in half to ride...these guys are idiots. |
Slypiranna
| | Posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 12:59 pm: |
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Hwyranger,
Off topic but glad to see your back in the mix here!
Hope all of your wounds are healing properly and you are back on two wheels again.
Best regards and Merry Christmas! mm
Back to thread... |
Spectrum
| | Posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 01:22 pm: |
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Sly sadly you are correct. Far too many reviews are done with less than adequate time and varying conditions to fairly evaluate the machine.
I always look at a reviews credibility in terms of quantity and quality of the effort spent in evaluating the bike.
This review is just one of the worst examples of a half a$$ attempt at getting to know and understand the bike. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 04:19 pm: |
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I remember last year when I hopped off my XB12Ss and tried to fold myself into my friend's CBR1000RR. HOLY CRAP I thought my legs were going to knot up and NEVER straighten out again! Eventually I was able to loosen them up enough to ride but I was NEVER comfortable on that thing.
The seating position on my 1125R is only a little bit more "committed" than my XB12Ss, but it feels like a GoldWing compared to the CBR1000RR. They've GOT to be kidding by trying to insinuate the 1125CR is "cramped." What do they normally ride? Orange County Choppers?? |
Jmr1283
| | Posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 08:38 pm: |
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{"What do they normally ride? Orange County Choppers??"
funny sh!t}} |
Misterrich
| | Posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 - 09:51 pm: |
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I dont really care with these people say about my bike. I love the heck out of my 1125r. Its comfortably fast.
People rag on it because its not the most comfortable. People rag on it because its not the fastest.
Its not supposed to be anything. You buy what you like. If you like it buy it. If you dont like it dont buy it. |
Ruprecht
| | Posted on Friday, December 26, 2008 - 05:03 am: |
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Seems a little strange. The ergos of the 1125 series have never cropped up as an major issue before as far as I know.
As for the riding position being out there and exposed to the elements... chances are, if you're buying a naked, you just might like that sort of thing.
Then again this is an American bike being reviewed by a UK magazine... and I would have expected the 1125CR to be a VERY strong competitor for the 1150 speed triple. |
Carbonbigfoot
| | Posted on Friday, December 26, 2008 - 10:12 am: |
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I just did a little research that makes the whole thing make sense!!!
I did a search on UK Squid Colloquialisms, and found out "Cramped" is a synonym for "Great" "Bada$$" "Perfect", and "Best Ever".
We just didn't get the regional linguistic subtleties...
See? We can all get along!
R |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Friday, December 26, 2008 - 10:49 am: |
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Cool! "Cramped!" I'm down with it!  |
Black
| | Posted on Saturday, December 27, 2008 - 02:24 pm: |
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Well then,
I went back and watched the video a couple of times. I think that we should be just as upset with those guys giving a good review as a bad review. After all, all we have is a guy doing some wheelies and one who rode the bike to work. They both said it was too cold to ride and they probably spent more time talking about the bike than they did riding it. If they had said it was the best bike ever built, we should be just as suspect, as the reviewers were lazy and didn't put the machine through any paces. I bought a Buell X-1 White Lightning a few years back. I got a glowing review on Buell from a little old lady who asked if I bought the bike because of the pretty blue color (ceramic headers). I told her that that was the only reason I bought it and she told me that I had done really well to get a motorcycle with that pretty blue color, and that she just loved it! Now, that was a glowing endorsement in my book. I put their bad endorsement and the little old lady's in the same category. She was at least interested in the bike! Lastly, I am a hair under 6'5" tall. If they were that uncomfortable, perhaps they shouldn't be testing bikes in brand new leathers. Might make the bikes easier to ride. |
Brad1445
| | Posted on Saturday, December 27, 2008 - 03:39 pm: |
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So you like older woman? That's cool! |
Black
| | Posted on Saturday, December 27, 2008 - 04:05 pm: |
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You made me laugh! |
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