| Author | Message | ||
     Pyrateryderzmc |
This last weekend, I was on a road trip to Oakland and San Francisco with three of my clubs members. One riding a Ducati, another on a Kawasaki z1000 and the third on a Suzuki GSXr 1000. Now I use to be able to run a 162 to 165mph with no problem, but I couldn't get her past 146 and that allowed the GSXr to blow me away. He kept pulling away and running strong. Now, I am fu*king mad... HAs anybody else experienced this same issue?? What to do? | ||
| Bobup |
have you gained weight since the 3rd flash??? | ||
| Teach |
Try to get it on a dyno, that may give you some info. We dynoed a 09R with a little over 600 miles and it put out 128 hp. I felt that my 08R lost a little on the third reflash, but have no hard data to support that. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
If one of the issues addressed in the 3rd flash was injector timing, and pre-flash it was putting more fuel into the system, at low rpm that would create the driveability problems. But at high rpms, it wouldn't be as much of an issue b/c of the volume of air going thru the motor. Probably did run richer pre-flash, and therefore maybe lost some on the top? The driveability on the bottom is worth the trade off, but BRING ON THE PROGRAMMER so we don't have to give anything up! R | ||
| Timi |
Those gsxrs are fast, aren't they! I haven't the pleasure of running a top end charge with one yet, but I'm shure its coming, they love to pick on everything! Also there are A LOT of aftermarket support for em. Did his have a dynajet tune on it? A pipe? A kn filter? All those "little" things add up. Was that "race" from a standing start? Mine (1125) wheelies a lot after my pipe install, but it isn't TOO bad. I know gsxrs wheelie like mad! So.... Does the driver make a diffrence? Shure, were you "tucked" properly, as in elbows in, knees tight, back level? All those things make a diff at speed! Also tire press. I'm just asking cause altough I haven't streched mine all the way out, I feel that YES mapping mmakes a HUGE diffrence!!! Mabie one day, with a lot of requests, dyna jet will help us out. But tull then, you'll have to look at the tail light fade away.... | ||
| Slimdave |
Timi, what pipe do you have & a tuner? | ||
| Jpfive |
Have you done the solenoid bypass, and if so, have you wired the linkage to the rear throttle body? Jack | ||
| Htekwo |
I don't know what you thought was going to happen. An 06' GSXr 1000 made 178HP!!! Hell, an 08' made 185!!! I don't care how well tuned your stock R is, it is never going to make up for a 30+hp deficit  Sorry. | ||
| Xb9 |
+1 Htekwo. Reality, but who cares? He should be able to get more than 146 mph out of the 11 though, something is not right. Unless he had a strong headwind or forgot about 6th gear....  | ||
| Timi |
Slim Dave, I made my own pipe, and only the recal flash. I need a tune tough as my pipes glow in the dark after start up, idleing. I may get the "race" ecm and go from there, but the aftermarket makes tune boxes for just about everything out there, even sv650's for cripes sake! I just don't weigh a lot. I'm a lightweight. Htekwo makes a great point, those inlines make sick hp. But really the ave joe gets scared after a mile or so. Its like this, u want inline power out of a twin, it aint gonna happen! 4 is more than 2. Given volumetric efficency, it will never equal out. 4 spins faster and has a more even spread on the crank. So power output is more linear. Ie: smoother. So given just those variables, the Rotax is one hell of a motor, but will never be able to make power a quickly as a even displacement 4cyl. Enjoy it dor what it is, but a world beater it is not. Personally, I'm in love with mine and I do know it, as well as me, will never be able to beat everything out there. As Clint Eastwood says in his movies, "every man has to know his limitations!" | ||
| Chevycummins |
My 1125R dyno numbers were only 118Hp at the rear tire. I would love to see the dyno results of a stock GSXr 1000 at the rear tire. I feel that the numbers at the crank may be slightly optimistic just like their speedometers are on most metric bikes. My friend has a 05 CBR 1000 and he got blown away on the highway by a Porsche. The bike was at indicated 170mph and the Porsche blew right by him! Later we found that these bikes have spedos that could be up to 3% off. Did the math and the bike was only in the 140s. Good way to smash your ego! | ||
| Slypiranna |
I can't see this related, just yet, to the flash. Time will tell. Does this bike have the rear throttle locked 1:1 w/the noid disconnected AND a tps reset showing 100% in diag mode and did you see those butterflies wide open? If the answer is no...do it! If the answer is yes, recheck it. Butterflies that is... | ||
| Ponti1 |
I have no hard data, but I "feel" like I lost something with the 3rd flash. Definitely runs smoother, but 2nd gear power wheelies are without question taking more effort than before. | ||
| Htekwo |
Chevycummins, The cars that I drive are Supras and IS300 Turbos. The Supra make 1000HP and the IS300 is at 500+. Once these cars overcome the weight and Aero, a Bike doesn't have a chance at top speed. Both these cars, given enough space, will do 200mph. It is a common mis-conception that Bikes are always faster than cars. Only low powered cars | ||
| Pyrateryderzmc |
His GSXr is brand new and completely stock. My 1125r is 5 months old with third reflash upgrade. I use to weigh 265 and now weigh 239, so I have lost considerable weight. We both have stock pipes and I have seen 162 before. He is a new rider and I have 37 years experience. My God-damned 1125r should beat his ass. WTF??? | ||
| Pyrateryderzmc |
I'm sneeking into his garage tonight and pop his tires | ||
| Chevycummins |
Sounds like he got in your garage first!  My dyno run was done after the last flash and I don't have any preflash runs, sorry. | ||
| Slypiranna |
One more time... Does this bike have the rear throttle locked 1:1 w/the noid disconnected AND a tps reset showing 100% in diag mode and did you see those butterflies wide open? If the answer is no...do it! If the answer is yes, recheck it. Butterflies that is... | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
Top end, you're screwed. Try to get him from a 10 mph roll on, and wax his ass to about 115. Or, keep on with the top end stuff. We'll take turns visiting you in jail! I can talk my way out of a 100 mph ticket. Not so sure about a 160+ tho. Rob | ||
| Timi |
Zmc revenge isn't hurting him. Do it the right thing and beat him fair and square! Again no matter what u mmay think, its gonna win (gsxr). As far as cars go, my nova can do the 1/4 in 10.03 @ 132mph on pump gas. No no2, or anything. All motor, sucking only air. The best time I've read for the 11 is 10.36. Now top speed???? My point is... Cars can run. Yes its a dedicated race car that has a tag, but they can be built to run. A bike can whio its ass easly, but its a few opunds lighter, and its lighter!!! The 11 is a bad ass in its own right, but even with a great rider a gsxr can beat it. Read my profile and see my quote as to why. Back to this subject, have a ball and be safe. Accept that you can't always be top dog, then when u fall it will not hurt as bad. And you'll be the better one in the end. Egos hurt more than your ass sometimes To quote everyones parents..."its better to burnout than fade away." Oops wrong quote, "its not if you win or loose, but how bad u beat the looser" Crap, wrong again. "does it hurt when I do that?" Damnit, not again. "Its not weither you win or loose, but how you play the game!" That's what I meant to say. Sorry for the confusion. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
Timi: have you got a real keyboard to work with, or are you still working off a crackberry? R | ||
| Timi |
Yea the "crackberry" is driving me nuts, its slow, many typos, and worst of all, is the multitap txt style. Have to admit, I'm hard to slow down! | ||
| Disposabuell |
to quote buell, "own the corners". not the straits, the corners. truth in advertising that is. buell makes road bike, not race replica track bikes...and erik doesn't seem to be planning a change any time soon. on an up note, they didn't say anything about permagrin ownership either, and that seems to have come standard with mine. | ||
| Bearly |
I know it's all about the rider Timi in the Corners. But starting with a Buell is a huge advantage. Take him to the twisties. My bud with his 08 busa was a little embarrassed. | ||
| Xbswede |
Were there any other changes other then the 3rd re-flsh done to your bike? Air box, Exhaust, butterflies? | ||
| Adoogie3 |
that's a no brainer a GXR1000 just makes more power same with a yamaha r1. But in the twin class the 1125r shines. | ||
| Buellborn |
what doggie said | ||
| Timi |
Yep, the corn-er ability is something! No chicken scratches here. As far as vtwins, I have had a few pleasures of riding a rc51 honda. And in comparison.... No chance. The 1125 is a bamf-er. That's: bad a.. Mo foer!! Just accept that. U can't win em all. But u can whip a lot!!! | ||
| Buellhist_monk |
Timi, So are you saying the 25R beats RC51 in the corners? If it wasn't for Buell I'd probably ride an RC51. I have not tried the RC51 though. | ||
| Blublak |
Strange thing.. I got the 3rd re-flash just before my last track day of the season and found that it ran just fine.. As a matter of fact, there were two bikes in my group (novice) one a GSXR750 the other an SV-racer (yellow plates)pitted on either side of me .. well... I found that on VIR Norths' big straight, the 750 could pull a bit on me (and I even got into 5th a couple of times!) but once we got to the technical sections.. well I was all over him like chrome on Harleys, since he seemed to slow down so much in the turns  I couldn't help but pass him.. and after doing it early enough and putting some distance between us.. well.. he couldn't keep up.. and I'm a slow rider (compared to others on track that day) .. The SV race bike on the other hand (once I got up too speed - no tire warmers so the first lap and a half were kept in second gear to heat up the tires).. Well..  I blew past him on the straight away (going into turn one) beat him on the brakes and then proceeded to run away from him like he was dragging an anchor. I don't want to sound too over confident about the potential of the 1125R.. but the race bike rider really needed to work on some stuff.. After one session he came up too me and yelled "That's twice!" "Huh?" I replied.. "You passed me twice in one session! What the hell did you do to that thing to make it so fast?" "It's stock." I said, then realized my mistake. I'd hurt his feelings telling him a stock Buell with an average rider on it would be able to lap he and his race bike in under 20 minutes track time. After this he even asked if he could follow my line. I said sure and next session we left the grid with me leading. He stayed with me for the first two laps.. Then well.. about a lap or two before the checker came out.. I passed him.. again..  The moral to this story? What the others are saying.. Don't play his game. You KNOW he's got the straight line thing locked up, especially when you're going balls out on the super slab. Force him to play OUR game.. make him have to turn the thing, if you're roughly equal riders, the handling of the Buell will give you the edge.. He may even start to feel a little under the weather after you beat him up with some back road bombing (and you don't have to be traveling at ludicrous speed to do it), just get him lined up and..  Trust me, it's a lot more fun then trying to play the HP game with him.. |
