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Jpfive
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 11:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am coming to the end of the rear Conti, so thought I would share my thoughts on the Race Attacks.

I decided to try them based on the little bit of rubber Continental chose to sacrifice to siping (they are actually slicks on the edges) and the compound curing process that left harder rubber at the center than on the shoulders. A little different take on multi-compound. I figured they would be good performance tires, but was hoping also that they would wear better than the Corsa's.

Here's the verdict:

As far as wear goes, the rears are done at 1800 miles (2500 for me on the Corsa). Advantage Pirelli.

For street use, they are slower to warm up than the C3's, and require a bit of scrubbing to keep them performing as they wear. Hard to do in Florida due to the lack of linked twisties. Advantage Pirelli.

For performance riding they are fantastic. During my riding in the Deal's Gap area, these things were just like glue. Although they take a little longer to warm up than the C3's, they put the bike on rails. Absolutely satisfying and confidence-inspiring. The Corsas were also, but not to the same degree. Where the C3's would occasionally step out, that never happened with me on the Contis. Advantage Continental.

Overall, I pick the Corsa. It is more than adequate for canyons or track days, giving little away to the Conti, and superior for wear and everyday riding. I have little time in the wet on either tire, but there is no doubt that the 'slicker' Conti would not be my choice for that.

I will be trying BT016's next, spooning them on this weekend as a set. The front Conti still has some life yet, but it is not as far behind the rear in wear as I am used to seeing in other brands. I want to run the 16's as a set to get a more valid comparison. FWIW, there are still super deals on the Bridgestones - bought a set of three for less than the pair of Contis.

Jack
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Carbonbigfoot
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 04:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't know if that's apples to apples...

The RaceAttack is a LOT softer (and therefore is done sooner) than the RoadAttack. Same profile, plenty of grip for the street, and I was getting about 4.5-5k on my Lightning.

That's what I'm going back with when the stockers are done.
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Jpfive
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 04:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I know that the Race Attacks are a softer tire than the Road Attacks, but they are multi-compound like the C3's and the Michelin 2CT's. I was hoping the center section might last a little better than it did.

How do the Road Attacks compare to the Corsa's, or did you run the Diablo T's on your Lightning? Do you consider them an equivalent tire?

Jack
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Xl1200r
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Geez - I get 6 or 7kmi out of a Corsa rear.
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Jcbikes
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 06:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Have been thru 3 sets of Road Attacks and they stick very well in the corners and get good wear do to the dual compounds. Not as soft as the Race attacks. I got around 7000 miles on each set and will be putting on my 4th set soon. Love the tires.
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Carbonbigfoot
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I Think the RoadAttack's are equivalent to to the stock tires on the 1125's. For me, the difference was the way they feel because of the profile of the tire. The Pirelli's are almost perfectly round in cross-section. The Conti's are "pointy". When you turn in, it just kinda falls into the turn, and then hits a stable stage that inspires a lot of confidence in me. Probably just what I'm used to. As I am playing with tire pressures and getting more familiar with these stockers, they are growing on me, but I still think I like the way the Conti's handle.
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Slypiranna
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 06:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm beyond the point of needing new rubber but after understanding all the input surrounding this website and the owners input...

I'm stickin' to what has yet to let me down!

Corsa III's baby!

Test on and keep us up to date on your findings!

Great input!
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Samcol
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 06:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm wondering when people consider a tire finished. My first rear diablo got to 4k and it started to show cords. I try to squeeze every mile out of them possible.
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Redscuell
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 08:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I'm wondering when people consider a tire finished".

I reckon it's when there isn't enough tread left for us to have complete confidence in the tyres when we're going quickly in the rain. That's what those grooves in the tyres are for! When there's little left of the grooves the tyres become slicks, and not suited to the wet. Racers, correct me if I'm wrong (my dump at just 65 kph says I'm not).
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Jpfive
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I consider a tire finished when I see the first wear bar. I consider it safe enough at that point to ride in a conservative fashion just until I can get it changed. Of course, the tire companies agree with me on this...

In the case of the diablos, including the C3's, I find the lack of sipes in the center section a little irritating - by the time you see a wear bar in that section of the tire, you are within a tank or two of seeing cord. The thickness of a performance tire at that point is like paper. Color me strange, but that is the biggest issue that I have with these tires other than the wear.

I'll keep checking out what is out there, because I won't have a preference until I have tried all the contenders. Of all the tires that I have used on sport bikes to date, going back my last three bikes, the Michelin Power is probably the best. When the BT016's are done, I will try the Power 2CT's and probably find myself back home... What the heck, I'm enjoying the journey.

Jack
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 10:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The thickness of a performance tire at that point is like paper.

I thought that too until I took the short cut in letting the air out of the rear with a utility knife. I was actually surprised at what was left down the middle even with the cords showing. Don't ask me specifics, but it made enough of an impression that I have no qualms about running a rear to the cords now.
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Chameleon
Posted on Friday, November 21, 2008 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got 4,500 miles out of the stock Corsa III rear (down to the wear bars).

Switched to Metzler Z6 front/rear and got 12,500 miles out of the rear (down to cords).

Put on a Shinko 006 Podium rear and so far it's been a nice tire.
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Paint_shaker
Posted on Friday, November 21, 2008 - 08:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For what it is worth; On an XB I got around 3,800 on Corsa IIIs and about 4,500 or so out of Conti Roads. Both stick well in the dry on the street AND the track.

The Conti Roads seemed to handle better in the rain than the Corsa IIIs.

Your results may vary.
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White79bu
Posted on Saturday, November 22, 2008 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had sport attacks on my GSXR750 and they were nice. I did a track day in the rain and they never gave me a problem. I have thought about switching over to the Race Attacks but my Corsa III's have held up to 5 track days and the front still looks great. So I think I will buy a Corsa III rear and when it wears out switch to the Race Attacks.

By then I hope to have enough skill built up for tire warmers . So I won't have to worry about how many laps it takes to heat up the tires.
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