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Pyrateryderzmc
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 01:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anyone have any information regarding this blanket liner on the new 2009 models? I understand it exist, but want to know if any 1125r owner has gotten the manufacture or dealer to install it on the 2008 model under warranty?

Don't know much else about it, so the many question exist.

Will the dealer do it?

Does it work?

Is that a warranty job?

Thank you
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Bikejunky
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Heat shielding is somthing that you will have to pay for. Best time to have it done is when you have the valve adjust done around 12,400 miles. They have to rotate the motor down anyway so its the best time to have it done. So far from the info I have gathered there isn't going to be a recall/warranty for the shielding but it sounds like it should work pretty well.

(Message edited by bikejunky on September 22, 2008)
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Krassh
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 11:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FYI 12,400 MI. is the first time the valves need checked.
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Velocity
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 11:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I check at my local dealer the kit is available and it runs $51 or $52 and some change.


Scott
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Pariah
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I dunno, when it comes to fuel heating, I'm all for letting it dissipate as much heat as possible... through the frame if necessary.

Won't an insulator like this just increase fuel temps? It might be cooler on the outside, but on the inside...
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Ekruizenga
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I lined my the inside of the tank frame with Thermo tec heat barrier. The tank temps before were running 155-160'F before lining and after the highest the tank has hit is 138'F by the back header. temps measured with infared termometer. I also wrapped my headers at the same time.

I had boiling gas almost everytime I drove it, lining the tank and wrapping the headers has helped. I cannot wait to get the flash tomorrow and see how that helps with the heat produced from the engine.
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Oddball
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If the shielding does insulate the frames interior surface from the engine heat it would not be a heat sink as it has been for the '08 model. Therefore it would not need to dissipate the heat it did not absorb in the first place.


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Badlionsfan
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ekru, you're gonna be impressed by the reflash.
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Ccryder
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 01:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok if the frame does not absorb the heat, then where does it go???? Hmm it has to go somewhere.

Ekru: I had mine done Thursday and it does make a big difference. Don't know if it will cure your "boiling" but the drive-ability is MUCH, MUCH better. I did notice that the temp differential (at cruising) is now 90-100 deg versus pre-flash of 100-110deg. IMHO this is a BIG difference.

Let us know what you think. See you here or there ;+}

Neil S.
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 01:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Xb9 added some water wetter to my system while he did the solenoid mod for me saturday, and It helps even more, another 3-4 degrees in coolant temps is what I've noticed.
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Blazin_buell
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 02:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My question, will doing that put more heat back towards the engine and making it run warmer and if so how much......anyone????
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Pariah
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 03:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hard to say what the heat load put back into the engine will do. We need some guinea pigs... : )
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2008 - 06:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Part number?
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Chameleon
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 06:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=290431&post=1227023#POST1227023

"Insulation kit Part number C1580.2AM. It can be installed on a 2008, but you'd have to at a very minimum do an engine rotate. Frame-off would be easier."
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Kravfighter
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 09:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It seems to me that it would be wise for Bueel to cover the cost of the heat shield. One less thing for someone to complain about when someone asks them about the 1125.
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Xl1200r
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 09:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They do on the 2009 models.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It seems to me that it would be wise for Bueel to cover the cost of the heat shield. One less thing for someone to complain about when someone asks them about the 1125.

That would be nice, or if they would put it on for free during the 12,400 service (if we bought the material.) Something.
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Ccryder
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Darn and I just had my 12.4k mile service done!! Guess I'll wait for the next one in 6 months.

BTW the heat still has to go somewhere. Anybody have an idea where it might be going when the heat shield is installed???

Watch out for what you wish for, it might come true and bring about other issues.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 03:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't care about the hot frame...that's what the Tech Spec skins are for...the boiling gas is a bit bothersome though.
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Ccryder
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hmmm, the heat has to go somewhere, where does it go if the frame is insulated better than the surrounding components??
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Krassh
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 04:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think the heat fairy's that are embedded in the insulation take care of the heat.
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Pyrateryderzmc
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 08:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Today in the wonderful San Fernando Valley in So Cal, I was riding home in some unusually high temps. I think it reached about 92 or something like that. Well, when my bike reached 171 degrees, I heard the fans kick in, but my temp was rising instead of dropping. Hmmm!
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Friday, September 26, 2008 - 01:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just think how much your bike would heat up if it didn't have the fans
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Ccryder
Posted on Friday, September 26, 2008 - 08:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I know those fans are just soooo loud! I just go faster and turn up my Zumo if they bother me, what fans????

I showed AT=44 this AM, what fans? I had my Gerbing plugged in and my rpm's at 5k, I was all warm and fuzzy (oh sh!t, fuzzy means I forgot to shave LOL).

Time4Work
Neil S.
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Ekruizenga
Posted on Friday, September 26, 2008 - 08:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is a thread somewhere about a race team that made different scoops/pods etc. that allowed the removal of the fans and then redirected the hot air away from the bike thru exit ports on the sides of the pods.

they claimed the bike ran 20'F cooler, didn't look like it would work in stop and go traffic, but it was an interesting design.

Their parts weren't exactly cheap. I think it was something like $1200 for both sides total.
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Ccryder
Posted on Friday, September 26, 2008 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"heat fairy's" I love it! Now where can I find some for my ST1300????

Later
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Friday, September 26, 2008 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Am I the only one who thinks the heat is a dead issue with the new re-flash? My garage doesn't reek of gas when I park it, can't hear any boiling or "hissing" from the vent and no gas on the muffler from the vent.
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Clarkjw
Posted on Friday, September 26, 2008 - 04:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Heat is almost a non issue, except for continuous city. However, the bike could use 12-hole targeted} fuel injectors, to deliver a finer fuel mist for more complete combustion
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Krassh
Posted on Friday, September 26, 2008 - 10:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My Fuel still boils and I still get some fuel smell on a hot day.
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