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Bcrawf68
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 06:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This gas boiling issue has got me thinking about ways to minimize it or eliminate it. I tried pasting a small amount of dynamat on the side of the tank facing the engine and it seemed to help. So, today I spoke with a technician at BMC who said that insulating the gas tank with the dynamat would not void the warranty and should not affect the engine operation. I was wondering what you guys thought about this idea?
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Citified
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 09:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

never thought of dynamat. good call. awful heavy though.
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Chevycummins
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 09:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I used a similar insulation on the inside of my frame. It was cloth like on one side and had a foil on the other side. It is actually from an insulation kit for turbochargers.
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Tijuanajack
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is what I had my dealer use ( http://www.jegs.com/p/Thermo+Tec/750869/10002/-1/1 0633 )after they dropped engine out of the frame and wrapped the headers with header wrap as well. I just got in from a 700 mile ride today from Maryville, TN traffic court. All the way back to Fort Gordon, GA. My feet were very comfortable and the frame was still hot but not to where I couldn't touch it. It did help a lot. It cost about 2 1/2 hours of labor.
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Brent1125russ
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just experienced my first case of the fuel boiling problem, 105 AT, 215CT, and lots of idling in traffic downtown. I think breathing vaporized gasoline was worse than the heat though, man what a headache!!!

When I was washing the bike last night I realized that there wasn't much of an air gap between the heat shield and the frame. As hot as the exhaust pipe is right there, it seems to me that the heat transfer could be traced back to conductive transfer rather than radiant transfer. I wonder if increasing the air gap between the heat shield and the frame would have a positive effect. When I send the header and shield out for ceramic coating I'll see if I can open it up a little more. I'll let ya'll know what turns out.
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Palerider
Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 11:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Evidently Buell never ran these bikes under real world conditions enough or they would have realized this heating the fuel and radiant heat from the frame is a problem. For $11K plus I think they should foot the bill to have heat shielding put on the bikes. It is creating a problem for some and the bikes are still under warranty.
Just my opinion.
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Bcrawf68
Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 01:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For you guys who have insulated their tanks. Does your 11 radiate more heat to you (the rider) or less? If it's more, then that might give pause to us who are contemplating insulating their tanks and if it's less...
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Unibear12r
Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 02:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hard to tell from the Buell website pics but it looks like the 09 pipes are coated to me. The finish is different anyway, more than just "pre-blue". Might be why the plastic piece is gone now.
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Tijuanajack
Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 06:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To me it seems like less heat. My legs don't get as hot at stop lights. But I never took temp readings before or after to support my claim.
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Hayabusa
Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 08:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have totally given up on keeping the bike cool...I have just learned to deal with the grilled legs and boiling gas. It is my hope that any fix Buell has for the 09 will be passed on to us 08 owners who are getting grilled. I am looking forward to fall, when I can really enjoy the bike.
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Doerman
Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 11:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bcrawf..
I have "cooltape" on the inside of the frame where the rear pipe comes out.
I have not noticed much difference either way. As a matter of fact, a big chunk of my cooltape fell off and I have not bothered to replace it since it seems like six of one half a dozen type of deal.
I've never really had a problem with excessive heat or boiling gas (pre or post tape)
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Cutty72
Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Would it be bad then for an 08 owner to remove that plastic piece??
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Unibear12r
Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 08:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cutty I'd be a bit worried that removing the plastic piece would shorten the life of the speed sensor on the tranny beneath it. It protects it from the heat of the rear pipe.
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Blazin_buell
Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 - 07:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

TJ, let us know if that Thermotec adhesive gives up , I've thought about doing the same thing but was worried about the heat melting the adhesive.
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