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Buellborn
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 07:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Different does not have to be ugly. I have bough Apple computers for 20 years. Way different, way cool.

Practical does not have to mean ugly. Function does not have to be ugly. I have seen sexy woman make good wives.

Low cost does not have to be ugly. You can spend the time to think something through without huge cost.

Ugly has no justification, evvvvvaaaaahhhhhhh


Life is too short. Make the most of it, do it right!
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Luvthemtorts
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 07:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I thought it looked like a poorly mismatched parts of old and new as well. It just didn't flow from any angle I viewed it from.
The fairing looks like it took its design cues from the robots head in Rocky IV .

Court,
If Erik (See I spelled it right) truly throws the input of his loyal customers in the hopper then I have lost just a bit of respect for the man and the machine. For me one of the special attractions to Buell was the close interaction that customers could have with the driving force behind the machines.
Was your statement fact or speculation? If not fact then you surely aren't doing much to further Mr. Buells repuation for customer appreciation. If fact then I guess I was just naive in thinking he cared about customer feedback.
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Buellsrule
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like the looks of the bike, hate the muffler. I'll wait for version 2.0. Let one of you guys spend a couple of grand on new exhaust, chip/tuning, and some cf bits and then pick it up in 2-3 years for about 5-6K. It should make a "killer" track bike. Now back to our regular programming.

Ride safe,

Frank
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Bertman
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 08:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Firebolt fairing has an aggressive nose down look to it. The 1125R nose to me points straight or slightly up and just looks wrong because, YES I am use to seeing that tail/frame/airbox combo as a Firebolt. A whole new package would have been less likely to have individual parts comparisons.


Maybe
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Baggermike
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 08:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ANOTHER THREAD ON HOW THE BIKE LOOKS, IF EVERY ONE LIKED THE SAME THING THEN WHAT A BORING WORLD THIS WOULD BE.
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Xnoahx
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 08:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I love the bike, I would get one if I had the money. Visually it works for me. If I wanted a bike that had the styling of everything else out there, I would be interested in getting one of those but the "insect look" doesnt work for me
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Sound_uly
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I put about 80 miles on mine today and.... never once did I think about whether or not I liked it's looks.

Sure wish you guys could ride more.

Ride safe guys!

Ron,
Riding his 1125R in cold Seattle.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 09:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>If Erik (See I spelled it right) truly throws the input of his loyal customers in the hopper

You do understand that "hopper" means into the production input machine, not the trash, right?

Erik has been an integral player in developing a system that allows ALL information to quickly get to the right people.

Buell owners have played a HUGE role in the direction of Buell.
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Brad1445
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 09:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think some people assume they desire a bike that looks like everyone else's. Thats not what I hear. When you look at the objections specifically Its more about correct and consistent lines proportions and shapes. There is a serious science behind this. Many studies have been done.



Not everyone picks up on it are can articulate it but subconsciously something registers in the mind when something is off. Some examples On humans, body to legs length as a % of height. The distance between the pupils of the eyes and many more. Even though people rated highly in these test (super model stuff) they don't all look alike. So you an have correct design without a look-a-like approach.

That said, it is very good that we don't all like the same thing as fat chicks need love too.
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Luvthemtorts
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

AHH! I thought hopper meant the ole' trash can. My bad!
There for a minute I thought I had been mislead about Eriks' good nature and interest in his customers feedback.
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Bads1
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 09:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court,

I worked as a Diecast tech for 6 years,years ago and 4 years making Sheridan Pellet guns. Both places... a hopper was where we threw scrap metal and bad parts for remelt. Hopper??? Wow must be used different in New York.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 09:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>AHH! I thought hopper meant the ole' trash can.

No problem.

However. . . if I'd meant that I'd have used the term "86'd".

Which comes from a restaurant that Erik, Road Thing, Henrik, Saro and I frequent to watch the waitresses and enjoy the great food.

As you can see . . .it's a great looking place. It is totally unmarked and unless you know where it is (at 86 Bedford Street) you'll never find it.


Chumley's - 86 Bedford Street


The term "86'd" derives from the days of prohibition . . . . and the ability of the bar to flip and dump all the liquor down the sewer and expose all legal drinks.

After a while the term "86'd" came to mean disposing of something. You can google it and find a lot about the history . . . the food is wonderful.

Court
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Bads1
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 10:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When I think of Hopper.



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Rocketman
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 10:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Funny enough, I've been to that place, and your book wasn't on the wall.





Rocket
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Court
Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah . . . any device intended for the purpose of consolidating and handling something. . . .

http://www.dynamicfab.com/hoppers.htm
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Brad1445
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2008 - 12:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So then these are Hoppering the radiators?

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Court
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2008 - 06:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

hop·per [hop-er] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a person or thing that hops.
2. Informal. a person who travels or moves frequently from one place or situation to another (usually used in combination): a two-week tour designed for energetic city-hoppers.
3. any of various jumping insects, as grasshoppers or leafhoppers.
4. Australian. kangaroo.
5. a funnel-shaped chamber or bin in which loose material, as grain or coal, is stored temporarily, being filled through the top and dispensed through the bottom.
6. Railroads. hopper car.
7. U.S. Politics. a box into which a proposed legislative bill is dropped and thereby officially introduced.
8. one of the pieces at each side of a hopper casement.
—Idiom
9. in the hopper, Informal. in preparation; about to be realized: Plans for the class reunion are in the hopper.




Sure . . if you'd like. A bit of a stretch, but that'd work. They are actually doing much more than just collecting air.

Look up the Ideal Gas Law Equation and start imaging the effects of the various volume changes throughout the tract.
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Rocketman
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2008 - 07:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


Velocity Stack


Velocity stacks have been around since like the middle ages. They might be small components relatively speaking, but the same laws apply, and they're no less complicated to fine tune for a given performance than any other induction type. So are you suggesting Buell rewrote the Ideal Gas Law or something?

Rocket
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Ducxl
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2008 - 08:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Hook,line,and sinker"....I just noticed this thread and virtually skipped by all the othere posts to see Rocket's opinion

I yeah,i like it,yeah,radiators and all
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Brad1445
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2008 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

wikipedia?

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Socoken
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2008 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My father, who is mainly into restoring and riding pre-48 HDs and Indians, went on and on about how smooth and clean he thought my new bike looked. He isnt into sport bikes at all really, never rode my gixxer or my FZR, so it was surprising to me that he liked it. Over the years, Ive learned that if he doesnt say anything about how a bike or car looks, he doesnt like it. I know hes not crazy about my M2, and it took him a while to like my 68 firebird.

There are some angles the 11 that I like a lot, and some that dont turn me on so much. But, I really like that its different and stands out without being offensive. I really like the veiw of the bike from the saddle, and I really like how it looks in my garage!
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Rocketman
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2008 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

stands out without being offensive.

Now Ken, that's verging on your own argument against me saying it's ugly

And I am offended

Rocket
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Donutclub
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2008 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I already voted with my dollars. Yes, I like it! It's unique, different, and fits my needs just fine.

Buell has always been the "odd-man" out when it comes to styling, but that's appealing to many...........not all.
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Brad1445
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 09:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Rocketman
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


1


Sorry, I know it's in poor taste

Rocket
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Socoken
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is that like saying my 1125R is a ton(pun intended) of fun to ride, but I shouldnt let my friends catch me on it?


(Message edited by socoken on January 21, 2008)
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Brad1445
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 02:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sococlken thats freeking funny! I'll take blame for my post but Rocket dang u make me look mild. Way harsh !
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Rocketman
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's just a joke. Everyone knows the 1125 is not a heavyweight. It just has fat tits.

Rocket
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Dentguy
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 06:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I saw it in person for the first time at the show in Washington DC. I didn't care much for the look of the fairing and scoops. The fairing seemed really wide. It's a great bike it just didn't do it for me. Maybe it will grow on me if I ride one.
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 06:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The fairing IS really wide - that's because it is a FAIRING - not a decorative accent.

It is supposed to streamline the air flow around the top of the motorcycle and the rider. That second point is often lost on the people designing fairings to look good with the bike sitting riderless on the rear stand in the photo. Foks tend to forget that the rider's head, shoulders and arms are not the ideal shapes to slam into the wind.

The fairing works... and in case you didn't know, Rocket doesn't like the scoops.
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