| Author | Message | ||
     Court |
>>>I say we all chip in and send some one over to pay Rocket a visit to "persuade" Nahh. .. . no one, myself included, would support that. Folks have become kinda accustomed to the annual tirade. It's a cycle. It'll stop. . . . we'll go through the annual mea culpa phase . . . the waters will calm and then Buell will introduce another product . . . . and we'll go around again. | ||
| Dbird29 |
How about a quarantine period centered around product launch? Say 2 months before and 8 months after? Kind of a scream in a vacuum.  | ||
| Gfc55 |
Thank you, Blake, for taking the time to articulate the frustration we have felt. Your efforts are appreciated. | ||
| Rocketman |
Just a couple of points Blake. I didn't throw the first rock. I asked for the proof that Buell support their rather bold claims regarding the 1125. anonymous: Lighter than a 2005 R1, and lighter than a 2008 GSXR-1000. Heavier than an '06 GSXR, but they added weight this year. Haven't weighed an '08 R1. The 1125 is 420 lbs fully wet except for fuel, and that's good for bikes this size. Of course, each year the bikes make more power, and an '08 R1 makes more power for sure than an '05, but actually the 1125 makes more RWHP on our dyno than did our older R1. Some journalists are deceived because the power is so linear the bike feels mellow, but that's just because there is no power "hit". All the racers who ride one initially think their lap times are a number of seconds slower than they are. When they actually see the lap times, they are stunned. It's certainly not the fastest bike in the world, but it is very fast, and there are not many faster. And there are none funner! anonymous again:"It's just the best aero on a semi-naked bike.." Rocket's first post:The 1125 is destined to take the world by storm then. If the 1125 is as good as the Buell blinkered want everyone to believe, love or hate the looks, the best kept secret in motorcycling is about to be unleashed on an unsuspecting world. Be quick though coz they're gonna sell out faster than Buell can make them, despite the weird styling. Or I'm talking utter crap? All hail the old R1, for it is dead. All hail the new 1125R Buell, for it is the new king of the roads.  Rocket's second post: Wouldn't it be more correct to say, you were forced to do it by design constraint? Please let's not kid anyone here. The Japanese designers are well up on aerodynamic design, so they can do it too. Response from anonymous (clearly someone representing Buell officially): No it would not be more correct, Rocketman, in fact it would be wrong to say that, which of course wouldn't stop you. How absurd to say we were forced into anything. The Japanese are well up and can do it too? What? Oh yes, I see what you want from us. "The Japanese and Italians know it all so much better and do it all better in every way, we should all kill ourselves for even attempting to build a motorcycle, we are so inferior, we apologize. We should crush all 112R's on the alters of Bologna and Hamamatsu, and then set ourselves on fire for our arrogance to assault the gods." My choice of word 'forced' might have been off the mark slightly, but hey, who's insulting who? Rocket's response: So you're saying you could have made the 1125 more aerodynamic but you chose not to? Any buffoon with a modicum of knowledge about motorcycle design can see where the design constraint lies. Steep steering angle and short wheelbase. Big fat muffler. Oil cooler. No place left for a radiator, right? Those goofy pods and side mounted radiators are a compromise over what is ideal, and that is also the reason the top half of the fairing has been concentrated on for allegedly better flow. Argue it another way. Why not as others have suggested, put a full fairing on the 1125 and call it a sportsbike? Could it be that not only would it not sell to the Buell demographic, it would get its arse kicked against the litre bikes? Whatever Buell can do, they can't bullshit me. Then to top it all, you want me to believe the Japanese can't do aerodynamics? Oh man, there's no wonder these arguments flare up with you guys. You're so full of yourselves it's pitiful. Build a freaking Buell the world wants. Not some compromise of shoehorning an ill at ease engine in the wrong chassis. Put the freaking engine in a tube frame and quit screwing around trying to prove the dumb XB chassis works. The world accepts the XB for what it is. It proved it can make a relatively underpowered engine work well in a cool chassis. Now duck it off and build a proper bike now you've got something like a half decent motor, otherwise yet again Buell will see about as much success as a one legged man in an arse kicking contest. anonymous: No we can't bullshit the king of ignorance can we? Any buffoon can see it's done wrong. Well, you are not any buffoon, you are the ultimate buffoon! Full of yourself is what YOU are not us. You are a ranting fountain of ignorance, "A Yorkshireman born and a Yorkshireman bred, may be strong in the arm, but 'e's weak in the head!" Man, you would be the poster boy for that saying! You are pathetically deluded in motorcycle design, and you prove it with these posts. Rocket: I never once said it was done wrong. I questioned, and reasonably so, why an anonymous person would state Buell could have made the 1125 more aerodynamic, but chose, I believe was anony's word, not to. Seems every time I speak around these parts the Buell white collars boil their heads. I can only assume these anonymous persons know how smart I am otherwise they would not go out of their way to try and ridicule me. All posts from Dec 14th / 15th I don't believe Buell are "obliged to share valuable proprietary information", but that's not what I asked of them. That Buell and I don't get on is no surprise to some, but every time I get into a conversation as an enthusiast of motorcycles, and a 9 year S1W owner, I believe I have as much right as anyone to contribute what I feel. Be that praise, help, criticism, sarcasm, and when necessary TO DEFEND MY OWN ARSE AGAINST THE SHIT THROWN BACK AT ME, especially when provoked. You need to understand that you've been inconsiderate, rude, insulting, disrespectful, and petty, WAY out of line. Did you point this out to Erik too? Rocket: "That they get a tough time from questions I raise has them pissing and moaning at you to shut me down." That is absolutely false, not truthful in the least. Really? The post is still on the BadWeB for all to see. Regardless, in the end, only one opinion matters here. Someone must steer the ship. BadWeB is not a democracy. Do you understand that? Unfortunately, I do. But I was born a rebel. Something the BadWeB is sorely lacking. NO! The problem is your behavior, no matter what the particular issue of contention. It is YOUR BEHAVIOR that is unacceptable. It is not your views, not your point, not your questions, not anything but your rude, insulting, HIGHLY disrespectful, antagonistic misbehavior that is THE PROBLEM! DO YOU UNDERSTAND?! Actually I have a truly wonderful gift of wordcraft. When applied to interesting stories and uplifting prose few are so blessed or able to share this gift which I boldly choose to offer in favor as humour and happiness. WHAT A TREAT! One last plea dear friend. Please, PLEASE, drop the derisive, disrespectful personal commentary, cease repeating ad nauseam your harshly negative views, respect that BadWeB is and always will be first and foremost a Buell Motorcycle Enthusiasts' Forum. That's a toughie. Does this mean Buell gets off the hook again, therefore I won't get answers to my RWHP, aero or design constraint questions? Damn. After 28 days I thought I nearly had 'em. Rocket | ||
| Davegess |
Rocket, the Ducati sucks. The stock bike is lucky to make 140 hp and they won't let a media guy with a dyno near the thing because of it. They won't let a journo ride a stock one unless they go out an buy one themselves. They do look nice as does the 8xx. Of course that costs more then the 1125R and is slower. Show me the proof that the 1098 is stock form makes 160 hp. Then we can resume the argument. BTW I will define what I want for proof after you provide me some. Rocket you ain't gettin' proof until a magazine tests a bike. And you started the pissin' match, you called the folks at Buell buffoons and clearly stated that the 1125R was a joke in your eyes. You have continued to toss stones. | ||
| Metalstorm |
It'll stop. . . . we'll go through the annual mea culpa phase . . . the waters will calm and then Buell will introduce another product . . . . and we'll go around again Oh God is that ever an accurate statement!  | ||
| Rocketman |
And you started the pissin' match, you called the folks at Buell buffoons and clearly stated that the 1125R was a joke in your eyes. You have continued to toss stones. The order I placed the above cut n pastes from the actual discussions are in time and date order, and anyone can go take a look to see exactly who said or did what first. And yes I have a sharp tongue. As for the 'buffoon' comment. Wrong again. I generalised about no one in particular, and not AT ALL to anyone connected to Buell or BMC, to the ability of looking at the 1125. The actual line was, and I quote,"Any buffoon with a modicum of knowledge about motorcycle design can see where the design constraint lies. " That is suggesting someone (even the simplest of people, ie; buffoons) on the outside looking in. Passion has blinded your ability to see without prejudice the written words. Rocket | ||
| Davegess |
"Any buffoon with a modicum of knowledge about motorcycle design can see where the design constraint lies. " And since the folks at Buell say there was no design constraint then they are buffons without even a modicum of knowledge. The insult is clear, uncalled for, untrue and based on so little knowledge of MC design as to be insignificant. You asked for an answer and got one. It did not meet your ill defined criteria so you have gone on. BTW where is your proof on the Ducati? | ||
| Crusty |
You really shouldn't feed a troll. | ||
| Rocketman |
The stock bike is lucky to make 140 hp and they won't let a media guy with a dyno near the thing because of it. They won't let a journo ride a stock one unless they go out an buy one themselves. Show me the proof that the 1098 is stock form makes 160 hp. Then we can resume the argument. Well, MCN got their hands on one recently, and they dyno tested it. Ducati claim 160HP and 96ft/lbs torque for their engine. MCN recorded 144HP and 84ft/lbs torque at the rear wheel, which would appear to support Ducati's claims as like all manufacturers, they're quoting crankshaft figures. The findings are published in MCN December 17th 2007. Remind me what it is you want to argue about? Rocket | ||
| Ducxl |
It's sad that Rocket lacks any and ALL humility.And now Rocket adds insult to injury.Sad,really. DaveGess,i'm warning you not to diss my beloved Ducati brand.I'll join Rocket in the miserableness,i will! | ||
| Crusty |
You can't do that, Greg. You have too much class. | ||
| Rocketman |
And since the folks at Buell say there was no design constraint then they are buffons without even a modicum of knowledge. So that suggest disagreeing with Buells line would preclude Buell from my buffoon comment, and you don't understand basic reading comprehension. And your spelling has always been atrocious. Though I must admit, I never had you figured as a trouble causer. Not until recently anyway. Rocket | ||
| Davegess |
144 is good, was that completly stock 1098? no chip, no pipe? The stock 1125 is 129 on the one dyno pull I have seen so about 10% less for $4000 less. What did the torque curve look like? The 1125 is over 65 from 5000 on up, never below 50 with a max of 78 so they are very close there. The Buell is still better and certainly a lot better dollar for dollar. | ||
| Rd3501 |
Sean is just trying to explain things. I am sure the magazine will give him some answers soon. I am still wondering why it is taking so long for someone to review this thing???? Buell....anyone.....what magazines have this bike to test??? But, Sean does make some good points. I got flamed for wanting a digital dash on the XB for years and someone told me analog was better because Saub and fighter jets use them..Than Buell goes against their own idea and goes with digital??? Why again the switcherooo?? I would also like to know how well this thing cuts the wind at over 150mph compaired to say a Ducati 1098 or Suzuki 1000..or why Buell used curtain parts in the bike when they shouldnt have that will rust and corrode over time. Bolts..muffler...etc..XB's have a lot of bolts that corrode very quickly and dont look good over time. Why they would put some much time into making a new swingarm but forget that the new design doesnt let anyone use a rear stand on it because of the slope of the angle of the swingarm. Why didnt they put .05 nuts welded on the swingarm frame for a rear stand to work on the bike.. Why does this bike has 6 headlights? Why didn't they go all Ti for headers and muffler to really get some weight off this bike? What would another $200.00 in materials do to the bike anyways to drop 10 pounds of cheap steel? Why did they put the rear shock on the right of the frame? Suzuki did it with the TL1000S and it cooked the rear shock with the heat coming off the rear of the motor all the time? Will this happen to the Buell too? Always missing the Monday details...maybe dear Abby could help me.  | ||
| Rocketman |
It's sad that Rocket lacks any and ALL humility.And now Rocket adds insult to injury.Sad,really. Who are you to judge? What's clear is your recent change of attitude. Hence your brown nosing to get back on side. I have no side to take. I simply refuse to malign myself with those who seek to misrepresent themselves, their friends, their choice of motorcycle, or whatever, at the expense of my own integrity. I've been baited and insulted on a personal level more than anyone, and by some rather surprising folks one would not expect it from, for 28 days, so please, don't anyone preach to me as if they're holier than thou. I maintain my argument is simply Buell prove their bold claims, which has little to do with them 'obliged to share valuable proprietary information'. Either they can or they can't, but I will not back down for anyone if doing so implicates me as the only c u n t in all this. And f u c k anyone that wants to. Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
No torque curve published. Top gear roll on 40 - 120mph 13 seconds. Ducati wins. Rocket (Message edited by rocketman on January 11, 2008) | ||
| Ducxl |
What's clear is your recent change of attitude. Awesome! Even Rocket recognised me as a "Rocket type"! Stick around pal,we'll have fun reminicing about the XB headlight recall This drama is more fun than i've ever participated on an MC board.Now,even though i also ride Ducati,i relate to Buells' more than ANY other MC. Why---why---why---Delila..Why---why---whyyyy-Delila (Message edited by ducxl on January 11, 2008) (Message edited by ducxl on January 11, 2008) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Top gear roll on 40 - 120mph 13 seconds. Ducati wins. Rocket although that is a distinct possibility. You're reasoning is a joke. How can you make such an assumption without any numbers from the Buell? I call this another shit stirring comment. Surprise, surprise. | ||
| Metalstorm |
Maybe instead of Buell proving their claim,.. Maybe,..just maybe the people who own and ride the new bikes can prove (or disprove if that be the case) the claim with real world street riding. I think it just might be possible but I suppose we'll have to wait for warmer weather. Personally, I care more about the owners' views on the bike rather than the folks who made it. But that's just me and I've always been a bit...off  | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I will not back down for anyone if doing so implicates me as the only c u n t in all this. And f u c k anyone that wants to. Tough internet bravado, Rocket. Show us that picture of you on your V-8 piece of crap and we will all know why you act like you do. It's called short, fat man's complex. Pretty sad you have to make your self feel better by talking a bunch of shit over the internet. You are pathetic, dude. | ||
| Rocketman |
I've ridden the 1098 so I know what it pulls like. Forget all the handling, real world, track, fastest cornering, the engine in the 1098 is astonishing. So in a straight line, that is a mighty impressive top gear roll on. Having felt it myself, I feel fine stating it here as Ducati winning. I'll take my chances. But how do you perceive me as shit stirring when Dave Gess said first (without ever having ridden either) "the Buell is still better". Is Dave Gess shit stirring too, or is he allowed such an exclusive role on BadWeB that sees him accused of no foul play? And doesn't your biased arse make you a troll too for attempting yet again to put me under scrutiny? Rocket | ||
| Rex |
A FORUM FOR BUELL MOTORCYCLE ENTHUSIASTS Yep. thanks Blake. Keep it going. I am a Buell Enthusiast. REX | ||
| Doerman |
But.. you don't get it Sean. It is fun to scrutinize you!  I am the central scrutinizer. | ||
| Rocketman |
Rocket (Message edited by rocketman on January 11, 2008) | ||
| Doerman |
I'm 5'8" and 185.. Short maybe. But I don't see me as fat  | ||
| Rocketman |
I'm 5'10" and gorgeous.  Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
I can do 'mean' too.  Rocket | ||
| Brad1445 |
On Topic, I went to Sun Harley today on my lunch. Now this is my second look at the 1125R. 1. Here are the results. I think the bike is bone ugly smacked with fugly and rolled in mugglly. In the wild the mother would have eaten the thing. The head is so large compared to the body it reminds me of the kid Rocky in the movie Mask. Next, scoops are the biggest thing I see, I can't understand why they did not let that much plastic grow just a bit more into a fairing. next the muffler almost looks like a joke you would show someone on a hidden camera show to see there reaction. Do they buy these from a guy that makes them from recycled parts found laying around? 2. They are working the numbers for me to see if they can roll me out of my 2008 Firebolt. I want the bike. I see aftermarket fairings dancing in my head to fixed my perceived shortfalls in point #1. The thread title is "I saw it in person" Well so have I. It does look better in person than photos by far, In the photos it looks like a car wreck, in person just some bad dents. I love bikes and my love and want for this new bikes handling and engine have won me over. NOT the styling. | ||
| Doerman |
There you go.. Can't argue with facts! Hey .. have a great weekend. I'm going riding! Cheers Asbjorn |
