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Gregtonn
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Where are the approved jacking points for tire changes etc.?

G.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 01:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Phatkidwit1eye
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 03:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Inside the left radiator scoop, there is a bottle jack and 4-way. Like on other vehicles, you have to find the little nipple under the bike that is the approved jacking point.

You know, I bet after looking through this forum, the people at Buell decided to leave it up to us. I've seen Buells strapped to trees, 2x4s under the exhaust, Cement bricks or car stands under the passenger pegs, pitbull stands, home made stands, ratchet straps tied to the garage rafters and I'm sure I'm leaving a bunch out.

I think the best bet would be a good set of Pitbull stands.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think the best bet would be a good set of Pitbull stands.

Not a new idea. Do they come with some sort of sky hook attachment to adapt to the 1125R's unique swingarm geometry?

The question is still in play.

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Mikef5000
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 04:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You forgot the ladder method!

I later did it on the frame in the center, to get both wheels off the ground! It worked too! Poor ladder had to hold 400 and some pounds while I went to get new tires.
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Jlnance
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 08:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Greg (bigdaddy) has an interesting method. He gets his son and tells him "pick up the bike."
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 11:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

LOL. Sounds similar to "trash the Caddy, Clyde"!
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Gregtonn
Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 01:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jim,
I guess I could ask my 6'6" son Travis to do it but he's in New York and I'm in Arizona. Thanks for the idea though.

Looks like the question is still in play.

G.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2007 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Along the lines of a serious answer, I'm betting there will be "special tools" for shops to lift the bikes. The one we have for tubers looks like an aluminum hangmans gallows that snaps onto the bike lift table, and allows the ratcheting up of the bike from above. I think there was one that had a pin for the lower triple clamp, but we just use the gallows at both ends. The guys like when I bring in my pit bulls with whichever tuber needs a tire...but it restricts them to working on the floor instead of on the lift.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 12:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Rat,

We still don't know how the average Joe can get his 1125R wheel off the ground.

That is of course unless he is under power.

G.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 02:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jim,
By the way, that 6'6" kid would be a producer for Simon & Schuster Audio books and a bass player for 'The Spies".

Sorry for the shameless plug. I just had to do it.

Greg;)

(Message edited by gregtonn on August 04, 2007)
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Gregtonn
Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 03:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anyone else find it odd?
It's a very simple question.
Why has it gone so long without an answer?

Greg
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Gregtonn
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 12:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Okay, so I'm a PITA but, I sometimes change and balance my own tires.

G.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 12:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm sure pit bull will come out with a set of stands for it as soon as they can. Al at American Sport Bike already has a bike on order...my bet is if Pit Bull doesn't, he'll forward some measurements to them. I use their stands for my tubers and love 'em.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 01:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rat,
I know Al at American Sport Bike. He may not remember me. I met the original owner (Tat) in 1997.
I met Al at Old Hwy 40 MC Days.
Just my opinion, as a former ASE mechanic, (ok so it was 25 years ago).
You oughta be able to change the tires without special tools.
G.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 12:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"We're still working on it" would be better then dead silence.

On the other hand, if you're waiting for the patent for an on-board, anti-gravity lift to come through, I would understand.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 12:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, let's define what a "special" tool is. Is it a torque wrench as opposed to a ratchet? Or a box end?

When it comes to picking up my $12,000 motorcycle, you bet I want something "special" to do it. Keeps my $12k from being spread out on the garage floor, sideways. I'm also not going to use an "approved jacking point" sitting on a cinderblock to fix my tire; I'd rather invest in the right "special" jack so I don't damage anything.

My final, and perhaps most logical thought, on all this: I'm sure it will be in the owners manual and the shop manual once they are released. AFAIK these are not "lifetime" tires, so I'm sure the factory has come up with a way to change them. They're probably not that concerned with communicating that particular detail to us here right now because nobody has one of the bikes yet, much less one with worn out tires that need replacing. Also, I'm sure they have bigger things to contend with, what with bringing a brand new platform online in an estimated 60 days (ok, 68 days if you go by the projected Oct. 15th "job one" date elsewhere on BadWeb).
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Gregtonn
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rat,
I understand why you might feel that way.

The problem is this; If you have a flat in Two Dot, Montana, and your special lift is in Arizona, that special lift is not very useful. Then what?

I hope that explains why I keep asking the question.

G.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Depends on where I am in two dot. If on the side of the road, I call someone with a truck to take me to a shop. I'll pay someone to do it right before I'll do it wrong on my own; I consider it a potential cost of travelling and it's one of the few reasons I keep a MasterCard in my wallet.

And again, I do suspect the Owners and Service Manuals will spell all this out for us once they and the bikes are released. There may very well be a simple method for raising the bike. I'm not going to stress over it until I have a chance to ride, purchase, and (more importantly) break one. LOL.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Actually Two Dot is a real town. There aren't many phone booths along the roads there. Take it to shop? What shop? And how would they get the wheel off the ground?

If you had a rope I guess you could hang your bike from a tree limb like a field dressed elk.

"There may very well be a simple method for raising the bike."

I fully expected there should be, I just wondered what it was. Now I'm not so sure.

G.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 04:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Squeak, squeak, squeak....
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Gregtonn
Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2007 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Squeak, squeak, squeakitty, squeak....
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M1combat
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 02:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well... Why couldn't you just leave the bike on the stand and place a jack under the muffler so it's on the front wheel, jack and kickstand? I've done that with the firebolt. I've also hung it from rafters in a garage, a beam across my friends porch, put it up on jackstands using the passenger pegs, the riders pegs, the swingarm and the forks. My favorite is to use two jackstands and a jack.

The jack stands go under the swingarm (you have to lift it fairly high to reduce the angle of the swingarm so it doesn't slide backwards. Then put the jack under the front of the muffler and lift that end.

A number of people have designed "cradles" for the muffler that sit on top of a motorcycle lift. That seems to work pretty well. Just strap the bike to the lift once the cradles are in place and lift.

Hanging under a sturdy ladder works.

Tree limbs work too.

I'm on my fourteenth set of Metzelers and I've always come up with some way or another : ).

I should buy pit bull stands : ).
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Gregtonn
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 05:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

M1,
I've used most of those methods and others too, for my S3. One that I haven't used is a jack under the my muffler. The XB was designed with the muffler as a jacking point. The S wasn't.

I have no doubt that I could figure out a way to get the 1125R wheels off the ground.

What I would like to know is if the factory has a simple and safe way to do the same thing.

Squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak...
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...what amazes me is you're not willing to wait for the manuals (and the bikes) to hit the streets. I can pretty much guarantee it'll be in there. Maybe dropping the "squeakity squeak" biz would speed your reply time. I know all it does for me is make me think I should just avoid this thread from now on...I'm perfectly happy to read the instructions once the books are published.
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M1combat
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I know all it does for me is make me think I should just avoid this thread from now on"

Have a good time then.
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Metalstorm
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It didn't really matter to me at first whether the muffler was a jack point or not since I use bike stands but after coming back to this thread for the umpteenth thousandth time, I really want to know now! Not because it's important to me but because my curiosity has been spiked.

Keep squeaking until you get some grease : D
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Pushrodpete
Posted on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 11:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

(Best Ren Hoek voice):

"SQUEAK! Squeak, I tell you man! SQUEAK!"
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Gregtonn
Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 03:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe dropping the "squeakity squeak" biz would speed your reply time.

That's squeakitty, squeak!

Geez man! Ya want 'm ta grease da wrong wheel???

Squeak, squeak, squeakitty, squeak....
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Crusty
Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2007 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I haven't got a clue, but now MY curiosity's been piqued.
Are there jacking points? Or should people use stands? Or what?
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