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Archive through August 28, 2007Thespive30 08-28-07  04:37 am
         

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Court
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 06:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think you could get most your questions about colliding subs answered in East Troy.

One of the Elves is a proud veteran of the Silent Service.
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One job I had was for an un-named company that had a name where I did something or other. One of the management types had some history and would occasionally give us a little storytime about stuff such as above. Amazing and interesting things have happened under the sea, occasionally bursting forth above the waves.
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Bobup
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 11:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

don't forget the US sub that breached and came up right under a fishing boat out in the Pacific a couple years back

odds may be a long shot, but it can and does happen
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone who's done much fishing in salt water has probably snagged a sub or two.

The Loch Ness monster is a periscope.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 02:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow, I would have never guessed in this day and age. I stand corrected....
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Buellshyter
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 06:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I asked another series of probing questions today. He was on a fast attack submarine and he wasn't stationed on the boat. Apparently, he was only assigned to the sub when there was a mission to be performed, of which he would not tell me a thing. However, when the sub is stalking another submarine it is only listening, in the passive mode, and is not actively sending out any sonar. Both subs are going slow and trying to remain as quiet as possible. According to him, the sonar is only used when they want to find something as quickly as possible and don't care if their position is known or not. He also described the "emergency blow", which is what the sub that hit the Japanese research vessel was doing at the time.
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Buellshyter
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 06:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


One of the Elves is a proud veteran of the Silent Service


Ah, which Elve?
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Thespive
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Actually the US Sub that hit the Japanese fishing vessel had some highly connected civilians on the bridge, a trainee on sonar, and because of the crowd on the bridge, the plots had not been updated to show the position of the fishing vessel that was known hours ago. The Emergency Blow manuever was done for show and done OUTSIDE of a submarine testing area. Ooops. Thats like doing a wheelie out of your friend's driveway only to hit the side of a police car.

--Sean
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 06:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jack Rinehart, Buell R&D Fabricator, is a United States Navy vet from the Sub Corps.
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Buellshyter
Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 07:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Some more interesting stuff. I asked him the names of the subs he was aboard and he said the USS Augusta and the USS Minneapolis - St. Paul so I did a Goggle search for the Augusta and this popped up,

"The Soviet Navy claims that on 3 October 1986, Augusta, commanded by James von Suskil, collided with the Navaga (Yankee-I) class ballistic missile submarine K-219, commanded by Igor Britanov, off the coast of Bermuda.[1] The United States Navy states that K-219 was disabled by an internal explosion.

On 20 October 1986, shortly after K-219 sank and Augusta had returned to patrol, she collided with something, and was forced to return to Groton for about US$3 million in repairs to her bow and sonar sphere. What she collided with is officially unknown. It is suggested that she had been trailing a Delta-I ballistic missile submarine, and, unknown to Augusta, being trailed in turn by a Victor class submarine. If abrupt maneuvers were made, Augusta could have collided with the Delta. Photographs exist of a Delta submarine with a large dent in its starboard bow, which the Soviet Navy identified as K-279.


Sounds like it pretty much confirms what he had told me previously
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