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Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 08:31 pm: | 
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Bobup,
Per your original question, I don't know. Most bikes don't have them, so it requires more custom made parts. When we went away from 1" bars we lost the switches that were set up for this. Believe me, I wouldn't trade back because I HATE those fat clumsy 1" controls. The current switchgear is not set up for self-cancelling. New switchgear is on the "someday" list, but with a tiny team and limited budget we simply had much more important things on our list. |
Iamike
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 09:02 pm: |
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There was a comment about self-cancelling signals on cars. I found out my work Astro van didn't self cancel when I changed lanes the other day and pushed the lever past the click.
I noticed it when after about a quarter mile the beeper reminded me. That was kind of cool since it is louder than the signal click. |
Court
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 09:40 pm: |
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quote:There will always be a greater likelihood of Buell doing recalls than the conmpetition because we hold ourselves to a higher standard than the competition.
Interestingly enough I am presently spending my days pouring over FMVSS, NHTSA and DOT regs. In the course of studying some of this I, myownfoolself, have learned some things I kinda new about Buell, but have now confirmed.
The salient part of the above statement is hold ourselves to a higher standard , it's just simply fact. Buell has been involved in some product enhancements and recalls that would never have approached the threshold in any market they are in.
Interesting reading. I'm not inclined to argue it but have had my own eyes opened.
Court |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 10:05 pm: |
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Blake sez:
And Jimi, my instigator comment was for Bobup, not you. Reminds me of an old song, with some applicable revisions to the lyrics...
"You probably thought that post was about you, didn't you, didn't you?"
Got vanity?"
Shucks dude, who can tell anymore with you practicing being as esoteric as Court these days. You certainly have accused me of a lot worse than being an "instigator" in the past, so I thought you were just trying to be nice. Shoulda' known...
jimi
(Message edited by jimidan on July 20, 2007) |
Court
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 10:14 pm: |
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Will someone please tell me what "esoteric" means . . all these years of education and you guys toy with me just cause I am a construction worker.
Did he call me a name? |
Spiderman
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 10:21 pm: |
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Esoteric knowledge is that which is specialized or advanced in nature, available only to a narrow circle of "enlightened", "initiated", or highly educated people.
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es·o·ter·ic /ˌɛsəˈtɛrɪk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[es-uh-ter-ik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. understood by or meant for only the select few who have special knowledge or interest; recondite: poetry full of esoteric allusions.
2. belonging to the select few.
3. private; secret; confidential.
4. (of a philosophical doctrine or the like) intended to be revealed only to the initiates of a group: the esoteric doctrines of Pythagoras.
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[Origin: 1645–55; < Gk esōterikós inner, equiv. to ester(os) inner + -ikos -ic]
From Wiki and dictionary.com respectively |
Bobup
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 10:25 pm: |
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Thanks Anonymous! I will patiently wait for the add on
ok you Buellers...hijack away again!
I'm anxious about seeing the 1125R TOMORROW..............hopefully Livermore HD is on the 'good' dealer list and will receive some of the first shipments....
bob |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 11:23 pm: |
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Anony sez:
There will always be a greater likelihood of Buell doing recalls than the conmpetition because we hold ourselves to a higher standard than the competition. We issue recalls on stuff no other manufacturer would ever acknowledge. Did you read above regarding KTM? Thousands of fuel tank leaks before any action. And there are hundreds more such examples.
That is a fact that I acknowledged in my previous post (and many, many times before), when I spoke of "the exemplary WAY Buell handled the recalls, i.e., by stepping up to the plate and accepting responsibility for these defective parts without having to be forced to do so by the NTSB." You not read so good.
It's too bad people aren't willing to recognize that, I can't help them. As far as Buell dealers bashing, well that's a separate breed that hates anything but Harley-Davidson (who by the way have had many, many more recalls, for the same reason of holding to an extraordinary standard). Stupidity abounds.
Which was my point exactly...at least you got something right that I said. This doesn't even account for the many HD owners who snub, deride and castigate all things Buell. Those people do not hang out on here, for sure, and I am not one of them.
You may enjoy that this thread is continuing because people fight back against troll-dom, but it's pretty sad that you find it entertaining. Of course, it's more fun than doing real research on the extent and application of the recalls and the fact that there has never been one forced by NHTSA, all have been voluntarily noted and very, very quickly.
That is just patently incorrect. I am enjoying this thread because it is interesting and informative to a point. There is certainly nothing "sad" about enjoying a good debate about Buells, is there? Unfortunately, I cannot get Blake, Court or Spidey to be anything but esoteric and/or evasive in their posts. Too bad.
Hey Anony, I will be the first to admit that I don't have all the answers about the issues of contention, and although you may have some, you say you can't talk about them...so there we have it.
My posts show that I never said that Buell did anything but the right thing when handling the tuber recalls. What I said was that there was the appearance that some of these tuber recalls were unnecessary (shock, etc.), and appeared to be caused by poor initial design as a result of trying to save a buck on the spec parts (to please the bean counters at HD after the take over?). That is what it appeared to be, although you say that it wasn't the case, so I will just have to take your word for it. It sure looked like it though.
You aren't "fighting back" against me, because I am not fighting you in the first place. What a ridiculous notion! If I were fighting you, there would be no mistake about it.
Plus, I refuse to be pigion-holed as a "troll", a "Buell basher", or whatever, and I cannot see anyone else on this thread who you could be referring to (after searching with my "vanity" temporarily holstered). I have been a Buell customer since 1998, and I am on a first name basis with most of those at my dealership. I will probably be a Buell customer long after you have left the company. Buell basher...really!
Hey, don't try to blame me for all of the negative perceptions, however misplaced, real or imagined, that the public and motorcycle media have about the days of the tuber recalls. I can do nothing about that. The fact is and my post show that I simply do not have those negative perceptions, or I wouldn't be planning to purchase the new 1225R (and I currently own 2 Buells). How many Buells do you have in your garage (er ah, that you paid for)?
And furthermore, since I am a strong potential customer (I have to sell a few bikes first), I think it would be unwise to piss me off by falsely accusing me of this crap.
It's stinking hard for a tiny company to step up to a level far beyond the competition, who are giants financially compared to us. The fact that people jeer at us for manning up definitely pisses us off, if you want to know the truth. Go ahead and live in the illusion that imports are better, but an illusion is what it is.
It is hard for a tiny company to take on the giants...and I have always commended Buell for trying. I think sometimes that HD gets in the way of that task much more than a few naysayers on the internet though. You are the one living in an "illusion" if you think I believe that "the imports are better"...WTF did that come from? I have never said anything of the sort. See above.
jimidan-san |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 11:29 pm: |
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Court, the mere fact that I consider that you have the intelligence to be esoteric in your writing is a compliment, although I wish I could get you to respond in a more forthright manner. Please try to be so in your book.
Ain't you got no dictionary? |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 11:35 pm: |
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I still would like to see self-cancelling turn signals on the new 1225R. It is a matter of safety and convenience that I have become accustomed to on my S2, even if there are those who cannot figure out how to properly use them .
Also, I have no problem with the larger diameter hand-grips on my S2, as holding on to them seems very natural to me. I simply cannot understand why there are some guys on here complaining that they are "too big" to hold...I guess I am used to it.
(Message edited by jimidan on July 19, 2007) |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 11:55 pm: |
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I think the comment about the 1" bar stuff was that the switchgear was too bulky, not that the grips were too big. Me, I wear XL or XXL gloves, so I love my 1" bars, and wrap my 7/8" bars a couple times with grip tape so I don't feel like I'm driving with a couple pencils. However, I also know lots of people don't have paws as big as mine. Self-cancel? Love 'em. Big grips? Love 'em. Only Buell owner out there? Nope...they need to make lots of bikes for lots of folks. |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 12:30 am: |
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Pithy is good. |
Court
| | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 05:41 am: |
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>>>Ain't you got no dictionary?\
Is that with an "E"?. . . . and what the heck does "Pithy" man? You guys do this to me on porpoise.
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Jlnance
| | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 07:29 am: |
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Tell me they don't still use card catalogues. |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 09:33 am: |
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It's either card catalogs, or *really tiny* books.... |
Jimidan
| | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 09:46 am: |
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Pithy is good
True, and I would love pithy (not pissy!), but this isn't pithy, it is vague...esoteric even:
"Seriously though. I think your characterization of the S2 versus the S3 or the S1 and M2 are just inaccurate, a bit overgeneralized, not entirely off base but mostly." |
Mikej
| | Posted on Friday, July 20, 2007 - 09:51 am: |
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Card catalogs are great, and a fantastic tool to use if one is prone to a meandering mind. 
"Pithy", look under "E" for Esoterik. |
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