| Author | Message | ||
     Mbsween |
S3, Do you think there's enough beer storage in the pods (whoops that may not have been politically correct) for a couple of those Canadian goodies  I live in upstate NY, so I'm well acquainted with good and bad Canadian beer. When you play hockey its hard to avoid Labatts, it seems to go with the ice. Court are you taking reservations for the seminar yet? Hey and to everyone who doesn't like this bike/direction, Buell is still selling the XB series, so if you prefer a sportster based motor with a primary and pushrods, you can buy that. If you prefer to wheelie at 110 MPH, well now you can buy that from Buell too. (whoops second PC issue). It will be very interesting to see where this machine goes racing wise | ||
| Xb12rdude |
It's not all about "American Made" to me anymore.......it's more about "made by a country with fair trade practices". If Eric would have went to China or India for a motor, then I would not buy it. I would still prefer it to be American, but the chance of anything being 100% U.S. made is never again going to happen. Some of it's built here, designed here, assembled here and the moneys coming back here. AGAIN, it's as American as your going to get. As for the remark about buying a jap bike for less with same power. I had an Yamaha R1 which I paid around 11K for with 10 less HP and a torque curve not even close to the new BUELL engine, so not sure what Jap bike your refering too. | ||
| Peterr |
I, for one, can't wait to go and race it. It looks like getting her on the track will be fairly simple, that 8 piston caliper off the XBRR is good, and slipping on some öhlins gear will be easy. If the engine is built like the Aprilia Rotax, reliability and power will be good. Stick on a dry clutch STM or similar, get a good electronics package going (the XBRR is an EXCELLENT base...)and you have a serious contender. The exhaust is the only sticky area, that's a complicated bit of plumbing to do. Maybe talk to ZARD in Italy, they do wonders with big twin gear ? Or get a race pipe and injection map ready to go from the factory, available at the same time as the bike ? Other area will be heat dissappation. That frontal area looks big, any CX figures yet ? The Aprilia Rotax engines didn't like getting too hot.. I don't think this will be a problem though, because the XBRR has a similar front profile (strange, that...) and that has an awesome CX...Yay !! A touch of titanium, a whiff of carbon, a hint of unobtainium and "Aaarrrooogahh !!" | ||
| Strato9r |
I bought my 9r because it was, in my opinion, both the most highly evolved Sportster derived machine available, and the closest thing to an XR750 that H-D would ever put on the street. It didn't take much rocket science to determine, however, that the XB platform was destined to be much more than a place to hang a beautifully refined Sportster powerplant. As a fellow Canuck, Paul, your observations on the Bombardier's propensity, and skill, at manipulating the Canadian government's purse strings, (that would be OUR wallets, buddy) are a point well taken. There are few, if any jurisdictions in the world, outside of Canada, where anyone could get away with political blackmail and economic strong-arming under the guise of maintaining a "distinct society". It burns me up..... But, the bottom line here is, the bottom line. Rotax is VERY good at doing what it does, and for Buell to have developed a completely new powertrain in house could have taken a long time, and delivered an outdated product when it was said and done. H-D has indeed gone outside before for engine design, with underwhelming results from Cosworth with th VR1000, but great results from Porche with the V-Rod, and dont forget that the 80 inch Shovelhead was developed by S+S! Anyway, politics and national identities aside, the 1125r had to be built. No amount of bold new color schemes or interesting derivatives of the XB line would carry sales momentum into the realm where the buyers of R-1s or GXRSs are spending their cash. This new machine could very well change the landscape of the sportbike world, and who knows where the 200hp replacement for THIS engine will be built........................ | ||
| Old_mil |
Quite a few of you have nailed it - xb12rdude's comments about trade and manufacturing were dead on...As were Rainman's comments about the Harley demographic. If Milwaukee doesn't start reacting, in another 20 years they're going to be in the same position that Oldsmobile found itself in. I would have preferred it if they would have found a way to get the power out of a VROD mill, but it's the way things go...with EPA regs, the air cooled twin is passing into history. The kids that are being squiddly on Japanese sportbikes today are going to be riding GTR1400s and FJR1300s in another 20 years, not Electra Glides. Heck, I'm 38 years old, and think that the Electra Glide is one of the ugliest monstrosities on the road (if I was going to "go Goldwing" it would have to be on a Roadglide with a Vrod motor). Anyway, I'll stick with my Uly until the sport-touring version of the 1125 comes out, and then make the switch. | ||
| Kingkitse |
Of course it is still American.... Aprilia is also still Italian (also with a waterboiler from Rotax). The question is, is it still a Buell? This has nothing to do with that what attracted me (and a lot of other "Buellists") to own and ride one (S1 for me). After leaving the tube-frames, it got questionable. After leaving air-cooled engines as well.... it is over. Buell: good luck. I am sure you wil get a lot of attention and be more succesfull in competing with Aprilia, Ducati, Triumph and a buch of Japanese plastics. But you just lost that what made Buell a Buell.... | ||
| Xbrad9r |
hey, the governer of California has an Austrian heart too. | ||
| Ryker77 |
As for the remark about buying a jap bike for less with same power. I had an Yamaha R1 which I paid around 11K for with 10 less HP and a torque curve not even close to the new BUELL engine, so not sure what Jap bike your refering too. http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?Ar ticleID=4683&Page=2 Dyno charts are for Dyno queens. Real world numbers on a track? Engine torque must go through the tranny at that time it is changed to useable torque. The higher RPM liter bikes allow for more torque conversion to take place in the tranny. http://www.sportrider.com/features/146_0406_2004_l iterbikes_strip/ Those are older 2004 bikes they all have improved in power and weight. The RSV Factory is near the same bike as the buell 1125. That is a 10.5 second 1/4 mile bike. So the 1125r might be a high 9 second bike - which is the same or slower than a liter jap bike. | ||
| Xb12rdude |
My buddy just bought a new 2007 Yamaha R1, mine was a 2002. He has spent almost $2000 (pipes, ECM and other) trying to get ANY low end on his bike. The redline is about 16K and claimed 160hp, but he cant'stand not having any low or mid range. The bike cost the same as the new 1125R Buell. I've had many and ride with many ricers and I've learned that it's more about torque (and curve) than pure HP's. Now that Buell has both, I wouldn't buy another ricer at gun point. I haven't checked in a few years, but I didn't think any of the Jap liter bikes weigh less than 375lbs......I could be wrong on that one now though. | ||
| Doerman |
hey, the governer of California has an Austrian heart too. Hey! Don't you be dissing my Governator!  Asbjorn  (in my best Jack Nicholson voice... "Can't we all just get along") | ||
| Xbrad9r |
not a dis at all when people starting thinking that Buell racing was a dead issue, I can imagine Erik in his best Arnold voice saying... I'll be back | ||
| Anonymous |
with EPA regs, the air cooled twin is passing into history. Absolutely not true. The 1125R expands what Buell is offering. There are no plans to limit the range by not offering air-cooled motorcycles as well. Air-cooling is simpler, and for some bikes may always be the best solution. | ||
| Jaimec |
It's going to keep getting harder and harder to get an air cooled engine past the ever tightening EPA regulations. That's not just emissions, that's noise too. It's why BMW gave up on the airhead motors and went with the flying bricks and the oilheads. Sure they might've been able to keep up, but it was getting too expensive. When they finally dropped the motor in the early 90's it was as big as it was ever going to get and putting out a paltry 60hp at the crank. | ||
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| Two_buells |
I have a 800cc Rotax EFI V-twin in my Can-am Renegade Four Wheeler. Love it and can't wait to ride/own the 1125r....... http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=253912&post=888686#POST888686 From the Rotax web site.... http://www.rotax.com/en/About.Us/History/ Revving up your biggest thrills for over 80 years. The BRP-Rotax plant in Gunskirchen, Upper Austria BRP-Rotax, a subsidiary of Bombardier Recreational Products Inc., is an international market leader in the development and production of 4-stroke and advanced 2-stroke ROTAX engines for motorized recreational products like Ski-Doo and Lynx snowmobiles, Can-Am ATVs (all-terrain vehicles or quads), Sea-Doo personal watercraft and sport boats, scooters, motorcycles, karts and aircraft. Many years of experience, combined with a strong reputation for excellence, have established BRP-Rotax as an international leader in the manufacturing of non-automotive engines. This strength is founded on: Technological leadership based on R&D expertise and forward-thinking processes such as "Simultaneous Engineering" Continuous investment in product and process innovation State-of-the-art standardized manufacturing and production, highly individualized by engine type Hands-on employee development resulting in creativity, motivation and immediate problem-solving | ||
| S2tbolt |
First off, Beautiful S1 in your profile Kingkitse! Second, agreed, the new 1125R is still American! But I'm stumbling on the last thought
How can that be?!? What makes a Buell a Buell? The motor? The sound? What? The first Buell was a water cooled 2-stroke square four, and quite frankly what I would love to see in a Buell is a V-4!!! I bought my S2 because it seemed to be the next generation of the XLCR (that eluded me in High School) with much better components I might add! Folks ask me if my Buell sounds like a Harley. Well, the motor is a Harley so what else could it sound like? Do they all have to sound the same? The first Harley was a one-lunger... Does that mean the first Harley was less of a Harley? No! I hope Harley continues to make traditional air-cooled push rod bikes forever; and that Buell stays on the cutting edge of innovation! Keep your fork; the best is yet to come!!!  | ||
| Two_buells |
So my question to you proud Americans is....Is it still an American bike if the 1125 has an Austrian engine and if the company that owns Rotax is a bunch of whining, cheese eating frenchmen? BRP/Rotax is a world class company and I'm glad to have a World class engine in our world class bike. as for the "cheese eating frenchmen, I went to the Candian Grand Prix F1 Race last year and met many, many great fun loving people in Montreal. jmho (Message edited by Two_Buells on July 09, 2007) | ||
| Thespive |
Is the Mercedes-Benz, manufactured in Alabama, German? Is the Crown Vic your local cop drives, built in Canada, American? Is the Dodge Ram, built in Mexico, American? Is the Honda Accord, built in Ohio, Japanese? Just thought I would check... --Sean (Message edited by thespive on July 09, 2007) | ||
| Cajunrph |
Of course it is still American.... Aprilia is also still Italian (also with a waterboiler from Rotax). The question is, is it still a Buell? This has nothing to do with that what attracted me (and a lot of other "Buellists") to own and ride one (S1 for me). After leaving the tube-frames, it got questionable. After leaving air-cooled engines as well.... it is over. Buell: good luck. I am sure you wil get a lot of attention and be more succesfull in competing with Aprilia, Ducati, Triumph and a buch of Japanese plastics. But you just lost that what made Buell a Buell.... What does make a Buell? Is it only using an out dated engine to try to compete with 21st century designed? This has been a long time coming. I was seriously looking at a Ducati of some sort, but now with the engine trickling down to other models I'll have to work on a new Buell to the collection. I just don't understand what is so wrong with this engine? Like it or not, Buell had to do this to be completive. It is hard to look other sport bike riders in the face when their 600cc whips your 1200cc bike. Now there is the possibility that Buell will go Superbike racing, maybe they can do what Ducati has done and beat the Jap in line 4's at their own game. This may be wishful thinking but wouldn't it be great for a Buell to be on the podium? | ||
| Blake |
with EPA regs, the air cooled twin is passing into history." As said so many times before, that is a complete and utter myth. Nothing about an air-cooled engine prevents it from meeting EPA anti-pollution regulations. In fact, air-cooled engines have some advantage in that they warm up more quickly. Catalytic converters are required on most sport bikes, but no the air-cooled Buells. Hmmm... Cause fact is more interesting than myth. Kitse, "After leaving air-cooled engines as well.... it is over." Good news! Buell isn't leaving air-cooled engines! In fact they just upgraded them a bunch with some fantastic XBRR parts, including a better direct driven oil pump and a beefier crank pin; then there's the much improved engine control and EFI systems; no more TPS resetting; it's automatic. Did you see that the rev limit on the XB12 models has been increased to 7,100 RPM? So duuuuude. Don't frown; be happy and smile. The future is very bright for air-cooled engines at Buell Motorcycle Company.  | ||
| Blake |
As far as the engine and anatomy analogy goes, re the title of this thread, there's a better one. It would be more accurate to say that the engine was born of an Austrian mother through the very determined efforts of a potent American father. We'll not say anything about Dad having to pay Mom for her services. ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) | ||
| Court |
Suppose these guys will "Buy American"?
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| Crashbuell |
Well, all I know is this. Those Evo 1200 motors that Mr. Buell has been shrink-wrapping frames around were Harley motors first. I think its a Buell if 1.) Buell sells it, and 2) if he uses his three tenants of bike manufacturing. I can't wait to see one of these new 1125's stomp a mudhole in some non-buelliever booty!  | ||
| Buellshyter |
It's going to keep getting harder and harder to get an air cooled engine past the ever tightening EPA regulations. That's not just emissions, that's noise too. That is probably the single biggest long term threat to the viability of the U.S. That is, the freakin government's desire to stick it's nose into anything and everything in an attempt to control our lives right down to the sub-atomic level. To say that a stock XB needs to be quieter then it already is - is nuts !! | ||
| Pinball |
(court) American as apple pie, really. I mean Canada is in NORTH AMERICA , am I right? Odd that people from the "USA" are called "Americans", when the name of your country is "United States of America". You are a part of America but want to refer to all of it as yours by calling yourselves "American" when you actually should be referred to as "United Statesians". Please don`t take me wrong, my Grandfather was born in Minnesota and I have a sister,brother in law (retired Navy), and nephew in New Orleans! I also go to what we refer to as the "States" 5 or 6 times a year . Our trade and commerce between countries is among the highest in the world and it doesn`t seem to be slowing.I don`t know where the term originated but it seems to be accepted around the world ,as wrong as it is I don`t think we as Canadians should just stand by and take this.But then again we are all human,live and let live blah, blah blah.I just wanna ride! I personally am not sure about the new bike but where ever Its made ,and made of ,but Buell`s are soulful and I can`t wait for the 1125 S!  | ||
| Fireblot |
Forget: "Is it American?" "Is it a Buell?" What about: "Is it ugly?" | ||
| Curtyd |
"Ugly" can be plenty of fun too, given the right chassis and motor, but I am just an old Dog, WOOF! | ||
| Paintballtommy |
pinball, i think your thinking into this whole thing way too much. we call ourselves americans because it makes more sense than saying citizens of the united states of america every time or United statesians cause that just sounds retarded. the rest of the world doesnt seem to have a problem with calling citizens of the usa americans... why do you canuks have a problem with it... btw not intending to be dissrespectfull or negative. (Message edited by paintballtommy on July 11, 2007) | ||
| Buellshyter |
I never even stopped to think that the Canadians were upset with us Americans calling ourselves Americans...lol | ||
| Doerman |
Well, now.. here's how it all came about. Leif Eriksen discovered America and gave it the name. After he got back to Iceland, they decreed that he should have the land named after him. Land in Old Norse is the word "amt" So it was called Amt Erik (Erik's land) --- which evolved to America. (Or did it have something to do with one of the Italian financiers of the Columbus expedition by the name Amerigus) Asbjorn |
