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Jimidan
Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 02:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

why the XBRR program was dropped like a hot potato. This is the one we have been waiting for.

jimidan
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Jscott
Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 03:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...with bated breath
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Jimidan
Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

smells like pus..., er ah, fish to me...

(Message edited by jimidan on July 10, 2007)
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Buellshyter
Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 09:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

why the XBRR program was dropped like a hot potato. This is the one we have been waiting for.

What is the real story behind the RR. Was it just a weekender project meant to give Buell some racing experience? Were privateers begging for a better bike? I'd really like to know the catalyst that drove Buell to commit the resources to develop the RR knowing now they were developing the 1125R at the same time.
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Donutclub
Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm guessing that Buell found out that an air cooled motor just wasn't giving them the results that they expected on the race track. You've got to be able to finish the race before you can try to win a race.

I'm sure others will say that the RR was designed for privateers, but I'm not believing that for one minute. They made an honest effort at using an air cooled motor. Maybe HD had something to do with Buell using an air cooled motor??

Either way, that's all water under the bridge and we're looking forward now.

Syar
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Thespive
Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 10:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Black Helicopter! Black Helicopter!

Sheesh, there is no conspiracy here. The 1125 engine was in development far before the XBRR went racing.

--Sean
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Ridrx
Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 10:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

XBRR=Rolling laboratory.

Buell got aero data for the 1125R without letting the cat out of the bag...AND got performance/longevity upgrades for the air cooled street engines...only needed one platform to do it all, and people paid to help with the research(privateers)...pretty smart if you ask me.
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Xb9
Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The air cooled line is not dead, maybe we have yet to see........
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Court
Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 06:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I look for significant development on the XBRR.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 09:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The other thing the RR program taught Buell is that the fuel-in-frame design is viable with 140+ hp, at racetrack speeds. Granted the 1125 has a completely different set of part numbers for the frame/swingarm/front end...but the concept is the same. And it works. It also gave hard data for the ZTL system, contrary to what all the "have to have dual disc" naysayers were shouting.
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Macbuell
Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I expected Buell to release a new XB_R with the long frame and a detuned XBRR engine. Hopefully that is a bike we will see someday. That is a bike that speaks to me personally.

(Message edited by MACBuell on July 12, 2007)
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Sarodude
Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Donutclub-

How many of the XBRR DNFs were due to big machanical engine parts breaking? Not the tranny when they couldn't find a slipper. Not the ignition trigger. I'm talking cases, cylinders, pistons, rods, heads, came, pushrods... The engine part of the engine......

How many of the DNFs were directly due to lack of air cooling? I honestly don't know, but I have some guesses.

-Saro
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Anonymous
Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Almost all XBRR DNFs on the part of McWilliams and other professional riders (Crevier, Rico, etc.) were either caused by some problems that were corrected before the motorcycle's release (transmission, anti-rotation devices, and timing wheel designs), random failures (McWilliam's ignition failure at Infineon, his oil leak from the cut O-Ring on the ignition pick-up at Mid-Ohio), or by a primary drive or clutch issue. The primary remains more maintenance intensive than we would like, and the clutch, though adequate if the rider uses it carefully on launch, could use more capacity. We haven't stopped working on improvements to the RR, and the power-producing part of the engine is proving to be very rugged.
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Rainman
Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gawd, I love this site. Thanks for hanging out here, Anony.
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Ridrx
Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1
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Sarodude
Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 09:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 Anony
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Kmfw160
Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 11:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

LOL. What a motley crew!
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Court
Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 07:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I look for significant development on the XBRR.
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Diablobrian
Posted on Friday, July 13, 2007 - 10:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I look forward to it, and continued "trickle down" to the production bikes.

(could we try to make more of it backwards compatible?) ;)
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