| Author | Message | ||
     Hogs |
So as they say 146 Hp and 84 RwT, atleast thats what the mag. says at the Crank... That works out to approx: 125 HP. at the rear wheel and has the same Torque as the rear wheel as the xb12 has now... And This is now, No longer a Buell Powered Engine/H.D. These Numbers are Not that Impressive to me so who cares they rev to 10,400 rpms.. Get A Duc. or Jap Bike will still EAT these Bikes For Breakfast..... Guys building the xb9`s up are getting 110/115 Rwhp and alot more Torque than 84 at the Crank.... What A joke I`ll keep my xb 12`s Just hope the R&R keeps going on the builds for the Xb12`s Big Bores 1450/1500 Where the Torque will be like 110/115 at the rear wheel and approx: the same rwhp as these new What ever ya call em... Guess what Mine will still have the Harley Look /Design Engine and most of all THE Pulling RAW Torque of the Harley Engine, None of that High Rev.. Shit.. Ya can`t have both so I`ll stick to the Torque what Harley's have been all about ,Not to mention that these bikes are alot longer now as well in length... AMEN... | ||
| Snakedriver |
I hate to say it my XB does not look like one of those generic H-Ds at all. As I have said before...The engine in my XB is as much H-D as the Shelby Cobra is powered by a Ford. Leo | ||
| M1combat |
145HP in an XB isn't street reliable Hogs. Not even close. You might get 50K-100K out of 110HP. Only if you don't "ride" it though. | ||
| M1combat |
Oh... and the 1098 dyno's are typically showing 135 from what I can tell. I didn't look too deeply though. They have a big hole in the mid range too. They drop significantly lower than the 999... | ||
| Hogs |
M1combat, So you are saying that a 110 Rear Wheel Horsepower Built up Buell for the street is No GooD... So I guess that don`t say much for the sponsors on this site building them 1250 1450/1500 kits...???? That MAg said 145 at the crank, so thats what 125 at the Rear wheel???? I think you better recheck your Info on the New Duc`s 1098 as well... And SnakeDriver , Just what do ya mean by your statement??? An Xb is based on the HArley Sportster Engine Period...! (Message edited by hogs on July 08, 2007) | ||
| Trojan |
These Numbers are Not that Impressive to me so who cares they rev to 10,400 rpms.. 45% more at the crank than your XB12 isn't impressive? Take a look at what other V-Twin sports bikes are making in stock form and you'll see it is a pretty impressive figure. I have been waiting for the day that Buell dropped the H-D engine for years, so am over the moon with this new model. If you want a Harley, there are plenty to choose from and this goes back to exactly what I said before about the new XR1200R SPortster. The XR1200R will attract the buyers who don't want a focussed sports bike such as the 1150R, leaving Buell to get on with the performance market withouth clashing with H-D over models. | ||
| Hogs |
Now this is just My Opinion.... For Eric to drop the Basic Roots of his bike ( sportster engine )especially on the 25 year anniversary and to throw another engine in his build from some other co. that builds the engine That this is no longer a buell in My mind, Should had made mods to the Sportster platform, and If He wanted to go after the Japs/Ducs on the tracks then build another platform and call it something else...But not a Buell MY hat don`t go off to Eric on this Creation!  | ||
| Hogs |
Trojan, As my post states, I`m very Surprised that "YOU" would say drop the Sportster Engine  | ||
| Spatten1 |
Hogs, Buell had to use a Harley engine, and the Sporster plant was the best of the bunch. It was never his fantasy to work a 45 horspower engine to it's limits to still fall short against other manufacturers. He was a racer and started out using race engines. However, he was not independently wealthy and accepted help from Harley with the Sporster engines. Try riding a modern sportbike and you may have a different opinion. This is a great day where Buell will be world class. | ||
| Hogs |
Well, Once again just my opinion, He will in my mind loose sales in one regard , But he will pick up sales Perhaps based on his price from another crowd... But Everything I thought Buell stood for was on The Sportster Engine ( Harley Davidson ) If Its just a matter of him winning or trying to compete on the track then Hes differently going another route here now with some other engine design all the power to him.... But call it something else in my opinion besides Buell and keep the Buell line going for what it was... I`ll keep my "BUELL" in my mind the XB`s and even the Early models Should hold their price or even stand to go up down the road being the TRUE Buells as they are  | ||
| Snakedriver |
Yes, "Based on". The 356 and the 914 was based on a Beetle! The Vanguard engine in my TR4 was "based" on a Massy Ferguson tractor plant. As I understand it I can still get rebuild parts for the lower end at "TractorZone"(that’s a joke). However, The engine in the TR range is not a Massy, its a Triumph. I don’t believe there really is much of the Sporty engine left...Maybe gaskets. I absolutely don’t ride my XB because of the H-D connection. I believe BMC needs to be distanced from H-D as well. I’m proud to say that’s its a Buell and not a H-D. Honestly, when I think "H-D" I think cheap hardware and overpriced clothing...Not to mention a$$less chaps (LOL). Lastly, Look at Lotus. They just shop around and buy the engine they need for the application...Now there is a word... Application... What is that bike being used for?... | ||
| Jaimec |
Hogs, it sounds like you want a HARLEY, not a BUELL. Remember the first Buells didn't use a Harley engine either, but when he went to mass production they were the easiest engines for him to obtain. I think you're going to be in the minority; most of us are pleased they are FINALLY out of Harley's shadow and on their own. As I recall, the first "mass produced" Buells had the same awkward handlebar switches and thick bars of a Harley, Dunlop tires and that lump of a motor. First to go were the awkward switches to a more traditional setup (and I'm sure there was a lot of griping about that from some, but more Huzzahs!) and a 7/8" bar like everyone else. Next to go were the Dunlop tires. Now finally the engine! My hope next will be STAND ALONE DEALERSHIPS! This is sure a helluva lot more exciting than slapping a pair of big plastic wings on a Lightning Long and calling it a brand new model! | ||
| Steve_mackay |
For one thing, NOBODY knows if these are crank #s or RWHP. It's all speculation. | ||
| Dongalonga |
Anyone questioning the new Buell apparently has no clue what Erik is all about. The new engine maintains the torque of the old which Erik has said time and time again is very important in the real world. The major differences are Erik has added the HP missing from the equation and an extra gear. For anyone to say it is going to be a mistake to build a bike with almost 50% more power and probably sell it for close to what they were selling the old bikes for needs to stop sniffing the white stuff.  The Ducati 1098S puts out 160/90.4 straight from the Ducati website. So we are talking 14/6.4 difference on a motor that has been developed for quite some time by Ducati. I am sure Buell could easily squeeze more power out of the motor if the bike actually needed it. I however doubt you will NEED anymore power than an aftermarket can, filter, and ECM will add. (Message edited by dongalonga on July 08, 2007) | ||
| Buellshyter |
The new R might not be a barn burner but it's a more race ready platform. Buell was really stretching it with the R and RR. I've seen the RR fail to finish a race more times then I've seen it cross the line. The numbers might not be that impressive on the new R, considering some of the competition, but if the motor is new from the ground up then it should give Buell the room it needs to work with. One thing is for sure, the new bike will bring in a different crowd. I hope it doesn't polarize the Buell community. | ||
| Rubberdown |
I think it's a pretty big deal. The American sportbike needs to be competitive on the world stage. I'm confident Buell will keep current XB engines in some models until they no longer meet emissions and such. There will be buyers for both air and water cooled Buells. The New R will significantly increase Buell's market share and bring interest to the other models as well. GO BUELL GO!!!! | ||
| Hogs |
SnakeDriver, I absolutely don’t ride my XB because of the H-D connection.( Sorry to hear ya don`t ride your Buell based on that ) I believe BMC needs to be distanced from H-D as well.( This may me the way Eric should go now , Perhaps... as long as he got the Sponsors( BAckbone ) to put up the $$$$ ) I’m proud to say that’s its a Buell and not a H-D. ( We are talking Roots here what Buell was all about all these years ) I asked myself now, Just what is the NEW Buell a BUELL Since now the complete Powertran is 100 percent NOT H.D. BAckbone Yes call it what ya want, but not a Buell as I have known them for many past years..! ( Guess I`m just old School ) But Thats me... And Jamiec I have Harleys by the sounds of it , while you were just a wet dream in your old mans mind.. | ||
| Snakedriver |
I have to laugh...All the 1125r is a simple evolution. Im going to assume that the R means "race" or "Why would you bring a knife to a gunfight?" The ADDITION of an updated powerplant to the Buell range is a win-win sitiuation. More customers, different needs. Im sure the aircooled plants will still be for sale...I like mine. However, I cant wait to ride a wet Buell! It was mentions elsewhere on the BadWeb...BMW and Duc have both dry and wet engines... Brothers: Its all good. Leo | ||
| Buellshyter |
I'm confident Buell will keep current XB engines in some models until they no longer meet emissions and such. Yep, saw some in the factory, Friday. Do you like blue wheels? The lower end of the motor has been reworked to make it " more durable". The oil cooling system has been improved with a larger radiator and quick disconnects on the lines. The timing cover is oval. I believe the tech said some other internals had been changed but don't hold me to it. However, no increase in hp. | ||
| Court |
Just think how fun this discussion will be once we introduce FACTS. | ||
| Snakedriver |
FACTS! Did the Germans need facts when they bombed Pearl Harbor! Hell NO!!! Erik Buell is from Pittsburgh. He built bikes in his garage or bathroom...Where ever...The point is Buell is not a H-D. It is now a subsidiary (or whatever the lawers want to call it.) I dont belive my bike says H-D anywhere on it.(I could be mistaken) With that said I do think its cool that it has a H-D engine. I do like old stuff. MGs and Triumphs and the like. I also like Lotus. However when they but the Toyota engine in the Elise, I wasnt upset that it didnt have a couple of Webers hanging on it. The breed must evolve, or it will die.(exception: Morgan) I would think if you want a H-D you should look at those Sportster X-D or what ever...The Sportsters with the Buell heads. (Message edited by snakedriver on July 08, 2007) | ||
| Hogs |
Court, You are right, I`m just basing my points on that the Engine is now all new No H.D. related background, Not even H.D. for that matter.... Just about the same as the V-Rod and I`m not a fan of them as well....Don`t get me wrong Guys and Gals...Its all GooD.. Just been reading all these posts on how Everyone is so Excited etc etc on this NEw Engine Concept, And I know there are us Old timers here that hate to see the Old Harley engine , just to be Dropped out of existence sort of speaking...Each to their Own...! | ||
| Hogs |
Snakedriver, I didn`t know the Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor,.... Guess I learned something NEW today ...!  (Message edited by hogs on July 08, 2007) | ||
| Nutsosane |
He's on a roll, don't stop him now. Go Bluto. NUTS | ||
| Buellshyter |
....once we introduce FACTS FACTS at 3:30...oh YEA baby !! | ||
| Snakedriver |
Hogs, I had hoped you watched "Animal House". I also wish we were at a bar so I could buy every body a drink thats posting right now!(less than 30 days till Im out of Iraq!) | ||
| Sshbsn |
Well, I'm impressed with Buell. Would've bet my mortgage there'd be a thread like this though. Snakedriver: TR4? Nice job. I had a TR6 and Spitfire, and would like to find a good TR4 w/o IRS. | ||
| Snakedriver |
Sshbsn, I cant wait to get finished. It just needs the body painted and bolted down. I had a GT-6 as well. I would not mind finding a good Spitfire as well. Leo | ||
| Hogs |
Perhaps Eric also has some nice surprises for the xb line " Buell "...Time will tell later today...! Would have like to seen a trap door back in place and a better Ecm Mapping Computer...! Oh YEah and don`t see why they couldn`t have just up the bore to say 1300 or so how wd. that have been to much to ask??? (Message edited by hogs on July 08, 2007) | ||
| Fl_a1a |
I like my 2005 xbs and would only consider buying the 2008 if is more comfy with regard to heat on the passenger (it is way better than my 1200s bandit). In general, won't making it liquid cooled throw more heat on the rider? |
