| Author | Message | ||
     Tankhead |
Yeah I checked that out. Sorry about that. It really only takes a second to find the buell board down the main page. But this guy lurker has been slipping hints for months now. He is from WI and he is 52. Maybe a factory employee, or maybe Erik himself. I know Erik is older han 52 buy you never know who is putting this stuff out there. I couldn't see it. I had to do a search. Found it for you. Here's a direct link. (Message edited by blake on July 05, 2007) | ||
| Jaimec |
Highway mileage is more affected by aerodynamics than engine efficiency. Put that Corvette engine in the Solstice for a more accurate measure of efficiency. Putting that engine in a more aerodynamic package proves nothing. | ||
| Spike |
I was trying to keep the rest of the variables (driveline layout, etc.) the same. Honda only offers one front-engine, rear-drive layout; the S2000. The 2855lb S2000 is powered by a 237hp 2.2l I4 and has an EPA rating of 20 city and 26 highway. The next closest thing to a sports car from Honda is the front-wheel-drive Civic Si. The 2886lb Si is powered by a 197hp 2.0 I4 and has an EPA rating of 23 city and 32 highway. Toyota offers nothing that even resembles a performance car, but I did pull up the specs on a 2008 Corolla just for comparison. As expected, the Corolla gets an exceptional 37mpg on the highway out of a motor that makes less horsepower than a used GSX-R750. I also pulled up specs for a Mazda Miata. The Miata has a 166hp 2.0 I4 and has an EPA rating of 25 city and 30 highway. If you were to look at the EPA highway ratings for all the rear-drive cars I've pulled up so far, the Corvette would be right in the middle with 28mpg. In terms of fuel mileage, the 'vette seems to have paid no penalty for bringing roughly twice the horsepower and almost three times the displacement to the party, especially when you consider that the 'vette is the largest car listed and is carrying extra weight.
Displacement on demand would help fuel mileage and is used by GM in other models, but it is not used in the Corvette's 400hp 6.0 LS2. | ||
| Garrett2 |
the rotax thing would be so bad if it was pumping out 130hp+ keep it in line with the other liter bikes (10k ish) and I promise i'll be one of the first in NC to buy  | ||
| Spatten1 |
interesting specs Spike. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Gas mileage is dependent on so many factors - weight, aerodynamics, engine size, cam profiles, valve sizes...and (why hasn't this been mentioned yet?)...gear ratios, etc. Trying to tie one down is impossible. Just too many variables. As far as the physical size of an OHV engine vs. a OHC engine - how much simpler can it get? The OHC, despite all its advantages, is less efficient from a space utilization point of view. An OHV engine sticks the camshaft down low in the lifter valley - an area of the block that would otherwise be empty. An OHC engine leaves that section of the block empty and moves everything up on top of the head. The overall package has to be bigger. What takes up more space: A pair of shoes INSIDE of a shoebox, or a pair of shoes NEXT to a shoebox? Where's the confusion? And I'll second the claim that the GM ECO-TEC 4 cyl are arguably the BEST 4 cyl engines availble today. I've driven a lot of cars having worked at a garage all through highschool and college, and you can't beat the ecotec in pretty much any category. Hell, I own a 205 hp supercharged varient and have gotten as much as 37mpg over the course of a trip from Detroit to Albany. | ||
| Sparky |
Re Corvette mileage: it can get good mileage because 5th & 6th are overdrive gears. Also each 6-speed comes stock with a feature called CAGS (Computer Aided Gear Selection) that locks out upshift to 2nd & 3rd gear if between 15 & 20 mph and throttle between 0 and 25%. But, there are vays to defeat the device, heh heh. | ||
| Lake_bueller |
Talk about wandering off topic  BTW....my 2002 Corvette averaged 26mpg on a recent 1600 mile road trip. That included interstate, city & backroads (Blue Ridge Parkway, Deal's Gap, etc). I was getting about 32mpg on the interstate. That was with 2 people and a full trunk with the top down. With the top up, it gets even better mileage. | ||
| Spatten1 |
XL and Sparky, very good points. | ||
| Dongalonga |
I tried to help but apparently the only way to get to 1340 posts is to get a little off topic. My bike is in the final stages of being sold so Erik you need to wow me!! | ||
| Blake |
keep it in line with the other liter bikes (10k ish) Wrong market. Similar to Ducati, Aprilia, BMW, KTM, MV Augusta and Triumph, Buell ain't at all in the business of building cookie cutter repliracers that sell for the lowest $/cc. Buell builds very unique, technologically innovative artful motorcycles. If you want a cookie cutter bike, there are plenty of very good ones from which to choose. If you want something different and excellent, you'll most likely need to pay for it. | ||
| Jaimec |
I've got your spy photo right here: http://tinyurl.com/39mpey | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
C'mon, Blake! I want a world class liter beater with a sub $7,500 MSRP! Of course I will have to reconcile the fact that it would have to be built by child slave labor in Botswana. | ||
| M1combat |
Or they could just send it out in milk crates... | ||
| Ducxl |
Economics 101 cookie cutter repliracers that sell for the lowest $/cc. If you totally disregard brand loyalty the Suzuki GSXR1000 is a silly no-brainer.Equal riders on a 12r and gixxer,the gixxer will win hands down. BUT we just can't disregard the desire to own the Buells'.I'd gladly pay 15k for my next Buell | ||
| Mikef5000 |
I've got 3 years of car payments left before I can even consider a new bike... But man is this fun! | ||
| Mikef5000 |
In the MB4 thread someone archived all the archive's. Can we do that again here please? | ||
| Jimduncan69 |
Well the little birdie told me today. That there was a recent visit to east troy. By a British motorcycle engineer specializing in engine configuration and suspension . He was here for two weeks educating the locals. Hmmm I wonder what that's all about!!!! | ||
| Dongalonga |
I will not pay 15K for my next Buell no friggin way. They are at the max right now as far as pricing goes. Just because they add some go doesnt mean they need to jack the price almost 50%. I will go on record saying if the next Buell isnt within a spitting distance of the current MSRP I will be looking elsewhere. I want to get what I pay for now that I am looking for a sportbike. The Lightning was fun and a great bike but I don't think I would pay 10K for it again. (Message edited by dongalonga on July 05, 2007) | ||
| Doerman |
Well the little birdie told me today. That there was a recent visit to east troy. By a British motorcycle engineer specializing in engine configuration and suspension . He was here for two weeks educating the locals. Hmmm I wonder what that's all about!!!! Rocketman finally got the job he wanted!?!?! (sorry, could not help myself) Asbjorn  | ||
| Ducxl |
Then go buy a Hyosung...15k is not a lot for a high performing motorcycle.Just look at the many thousands people spend trying to get higher performance.Buell should just engineer it in a package that doesn't require thousands more to be right. | ||
| Dongalonga |
http://www.triumph.co.uk/usa/4537.aspx http://powersports.honda.com/motorcycles/sport/mod el.asp?ModelName=RC51&ModelYear=2006&ModelId=RVT10 00R6 http://powersports.honda.com/motorcycles/sport/mod el.asp?ModelName=CBR1000RR&ModelYear=2007&ModelId= CBR10RR7 http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/Detail.aspx?id=20 2 http://www.suzukicycles.com/Products/GSXR1000K7/De fault.aspx http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products/modelsp ecs/6/0/specs.aspx Now explain why Buell cannot build a sportbike for about 12K....If they really want to compete with the big boys they need to have competetive pricing period. Buell is not Ducati no matter how much we all want them to be. Most people who buy Ducati will no matter what they cost because it is an image thing. Buell does not have that luxury. If they build a competetive sportbike within 20% of the current MSRP i will be right in line with everyone else. If not there are alot of other choices for an all out sportbike. And that is the point if they build what most of you including myself are asking for it will be a pure sportbike not a sportfighter or any other niche name Buell wants to come up with. I am pulling for Buell more than you may think because I really dont want to buy a Japanese bike....the Triumph is a different story all together though. | ||
| Jaimec |
http://www.mvagustausa.com/web-mvagusta/07_F4_1000 R.html http://benelli.supermoto.com/Bikes/Titanium.htm http://www.apriliausa.com/modelli/road/modello.asp ?id=109 http://www.ktm.com/990-Super-Duke.46.20.html NOW how does the pricing sound?? | ||
| Dongalonga |
I agree Buell has a certain charm but are you seriously comparing Buell to Benelli and MV Agusta.....these are built to order bikes not go to your local HD dealer and pick one off the floor. I put Aprilla and KTM in the same boat as Ducati....you are paying for a name and nothing more. I want to give Triumph the credit they deserve. They finally got it. They realized how to sell their sportbike like crazy.....build and price it competetively with the Japanese big 4. Tell me I'm wrong please I would like you to show me some numbers to tell me I am. Triumph couldnt build enough 675s last year. I can go to my local HD/Buell shop and pick any 06 I want. Lets just be honest with ourselves. Noone likes to overpay for anything unless they have more money than they ever need. I just want an affordable Buell that can give close to the bang for the buck as the class leading SuperSport bikes out there. Is that too much to ask?? (Message edited by dongalonga on July 05, 2007) | ||
| Ducxl |
Ooh but,to actually own a Ducati(which i DO),an MV Agusta,or Benelli,or even KTM. It's quite an experience..pretty exclusive.One that people like you will never have..Too bad,unless Buell does something like it. | ||
| Olinxb12r |
I'm with you Don. I would love to buy another Buell when it is time for a new bike, but I won't spend $15K for one. That is 1098 country, and it will be difficult for Buell to win that battle. My car, credit cards and bike will all be paid off within a year, so I'll be looking for a new bike when all that is gone. I may just keep the XB, so I might not even be looking for another Buell. If they do come out with something awesome that is reasonably priced I might sell the XB to buy one. It is difficult to say what I will or will not do without knowing what is coming out, but I certainly will not pay another $10K for a cool new color. | ||
| Ducxl |
I just want an affordable Buell that can give close to the bang for the buck as the class leading SuperSport bikes out there. Is that too much to ask?? Buell already competes in Supersport classes.Don't you really mean Superbike? | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Super bike this, sport bike racer that... yadda yadda yadda, give me my dirty bike that will kick a KTM's butt. That will be my next ride, I hope THAT is the big announcement on July 8th. We now return you to your regularly scheduled banter about the new OKRA diet dishes. | ||
| Thepup |
Ducxl,Buell does not compete in Supersport class racing. | ||
| Paintballtommy |
oh jesus i thought we had forgotten about OKRA. im getting hungry again now |
