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Sdw
Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2017 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Congratulations to Bruce Belfer for building bikes in the US!

Wish him all the very best for the future ...


http://www.windburnedeyes.com/bikes/cleveland-cycl ewerks-will-manufacture-motorcycles-in-us
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Henshao
Posted on Sunday, March 05, 2017 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I hope that by some act of God they find a way to offer exactly 1190 sized bikes in the future.
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Tpoppa
Posted on Tuesday, March 07, 2017 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've actually been looking into the CCW FXr. It looks like it could be quite entertaining.
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Henshao
Posted on Tuesday, March 07, 2017 - 02:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I try to keep an open mind but 14 horsepower is pushing it...
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Hughlysses
Posted on Tuesday, March 07, 2017 - 02:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bruce has said on Facebook that he is in communication with LAP and EBR but he can't say more because of a non-disclosure agreement.

Hope springs eternal...
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Henshao
Posted on Tuesday, March 07, 2017 - 03:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My mistake, in hindsight. The FXR generates 8.3hp.

Why would a Cleveland-based company use kilowatts, kilograms, and meters?
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Stevel
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 07:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Henshao,
I guess you live in a cave. Motor companies survive in an international environment. Nobody makes every component of their end product. If their chosen suppliers use the metric system, guess what......you go with the flow. Even HD is slowly migrating to metric. They have to. I'm an inch guy, but I have had to become metric familiar as well for the same reason. This includes the huge investment of metric tooling. The conversion bothered me 25 yrs. ago, but I am equally conversant in both systems now. I still believe that there are engineering reasons for both systems, so I use both as the application demands. What issue?
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Henshao
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 12:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, I live in the cave of the United States, the place where Cleveland is located.



Hmmmm. 87 kilograms. That's helpful.
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 12:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

87kg is pretty light for a motorcycle, but I don't know how it stacks up in comparison to the competition of its size. I weigh in at 88kg, so it would be nice to ride a bike lighter than me for once.
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Henshao
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Roughly 192lb in non-communist : )
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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can see both sides. If I bought a new American vehicle, I would want it to be metric. It's just a more usable system.

But if you are making a prominently "Made in USA" product, advertising everything in metric is kind of ruining your message. Kind of like going for a very expensive gourmet meal and watching them make your steak in a microwave. Even if it is the best damn steak you have ever had, the whole experience is kind of ruined.

And reporting things like weight and horsepower only in metric units, something even the metric companies generally don't do, is just weird.

But all just fluff. They will be good bikes or not, and I'm happy to see anyone in the US giving it a go with as much domestic content as they can manage.

(Up to a point. If they are sewing made in USA labels.. on non USA made shirts... using the logic "the label was made in the USA" so its OK, then, well screw you, you are trying to mislead me.)
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Henshao
Posted on Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 07:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Their 450 interests me. I wonder how it stacks up to the competition. Lord knows American-made dirtbikes are like hen's teeth.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2017 - 12:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

SAE all the way! Metric is for commie wussies.
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Tootal
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2017 - 08:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

SAE all the way! Metric is for commie wussies.



My brain can only think in thousands of an inch! I can't even think in metric, I just have to convert it to inches!

When Budweiser sold to Inbev we didn't make beer by the barrel anymore, now it's Hectoliters! What the hell is that!!!

So I guess we have to change the song, " Roll out the Hectoliter! WTF????
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2017 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I do agree it is odd they didn't include the inferior imperial measurement in parentheses for the senior citizens (hell they did it for the rear suspension specs!)

I can't wait for imperial measurements to finally kick the bucket, no longer will I have to deal with the agony of trying to figure out which socket to use. Oh the 4/7 didn't fit? Do you try the 1/9 or the 3/37? Nah you can't have it be easy in order like 9, 10, 11, 12, etc.
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Gearheadgrrrl
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2017 - 12:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What's the problem... I learned metric in high school 50 years ago!
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Henshao
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2017 - 01:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, if nobody else is going to go there...



Every time one of you commies chimes in, all I hear is...
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Jaimec
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2017 - 07:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What's wrong with you people? I LOVE crossing the border into Canada and seeing the speed limit is 110!!
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Tootal
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2017 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As far as mechanics are concerned I really don't have a problem with metric tools. The Japs use 10, 12, and 14 a lot. The Euro's use 10, 13, and 15 a lot. I've worked on a lot of metric bikes and cars. It's just when I have to machine something that's 8mm I prefer to call it 5/16"! But don't worry, I did get 8mm stock when I made the throttle body shafts! The 8mm is .0025" larger! Or in technical terms a BCH!
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Crusty
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2017 - 12:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah; a BCH is a little thicker than an RCH.
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Tootal
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2017 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Other way around. A RCH is around. 006"!
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Crusty
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2017 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I never put the Mic on either. I've been laboring under a bad assumption for years! Thanks for the clarification.
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04xl1200c
Posted on Friday, March 10, 2017 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are we talking fine or course standards on the _CH's. The RCH in National Fine is the smaller, or so I was taught.
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Stevel
Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2017 - 03:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Again both systems are useful in their own way. For instance, when machining something to correct size, dealing in "thousands" is easier as opposed to the metric equivalent. When dealing with thread pitches, the inch systems have more available standard threads than the metric system and there are legitimate reasons for both fine and course threads. The other side of the coin is that in many cases the standard "M" pitch, being in between the standard NC and NF pitches is adequate for a given fastener diameter. When dealing in small dimensions smaller than .001", the metric system is easier. My preference is therefore application specific.
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Tootal
Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2017 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When it comes to threads I will admit that knowing the tap drill size is easier to figure out with metric. Subtract the pitch from the diameter of the tap and you have it. In SAE you either memorize the tap drill size or look at the chart. SAE uses threads per inch where metric uses threads per millimeter. So an 8mm-1.25 thread would require a 6.75mm hole. What's funny is you end up using SAE drills to attain many of the sizes for metric taps.

BTW, SAE got us to the moon first and won 2 world wars!
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2017 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bruce Mehlfer
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Bigblock
Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A steak can simply NEVER be cooked properly in a microwave.

Or more accurately, if the best steak you ever had was cooked in a microwave, it was simply the first steak you ever had.
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Mnscrounger
Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't know, I've had some pretty BAD steaks....
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Crackhead
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2017 - 02:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would rather have a microwaved steak then one cooked well done into a strip of leather.

Metric is the future, the generation that prefers SAE is dieing. Even American pickups are metric.
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Mnscrounger
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2017 - 06:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sometimes its more to do with the cut than the cooking.
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