| Author | Message | ||
     Crusty |
I also agree with Jaime. But you know that. I've been yelling that I want a Sport - Tourer since Buell stopped making Tubers. | ||
| Mnscrounger |
1190..TX...TX...TX... | ||
| Jaimec |
Blake, Read what I wrote CAREFULLY. I didn't say the Ulysses (the XB12X). I SPECIFICALLY mentioned the XB12XT, which was supposedly sold as a "Sport Tourer" in that it had hard bags, but did not have the semi-knobbies of the XB12X, nor did it have the high front fender. You do remember they were two different models, right? | ||
| Hughlysses |
OK, it's Friday, the last day of "next week", and still no info or prices.  | ||
| Hughlysses |
OK, it's Friday, the last day of "next week", and still no info or prices.  | ||
| Buelliedan |
the new MSRPs have been told to potential dealers but we are not allowed to discuss it at this time. I personally felt the new MSRP was too high considering it is 4 y/o tech on a bike that was difficult to sell even before the shutdown. (Message edited by buelliedan on March 11, 2016) | ||
| Hughlysses |
^ I wonder- maybe the fact that EBR still hasn't publicly released this info (which was promised this week) means they didn't sign up enough dealers and they're reconsidering their proposed MSRP's. I imagine they are in a hard place with this. If they set the price too high, they won't sell many bikes. If they set the price too low, even if it earns them a profit now, it could well be unsustainable in the future. I read an article a couple of years ago on Korean car maker Hyundai. The author said their cars were right up there with Toyota, Honda, and Nissan as far as features and quality. However, Hyundai deliberately under priced their cars when they first came to the US in order to break into the market. Consumers got used to those low prices and were hesitant to pay similar prices for Hyundais to competing brands. It took them a long time to dig out of a hole they'd created for themselves. That might be a risk EBR has to take to get the show rolling again. (Message edited by Hughlysses on March 11, 2016) | ||
| Buelliedan |
Hugh, I am thinking exactly the same thing. I have a feeling LAP thought this was going to be a lot easier than it really will be. | ||
| Greg_e |
The hole is already dug from the fire sale pricing. The task now is how to build a ramp up out of that hole. | ||
| Panshovevo |
Just a thought from a 40 yr rider with a wife whose been wanting to ride for 25 years or so. I just had three lumbar vertebrae fused, so race bike configuration is out. Haven't tried riding yet, but it feels like my CR with high bars and dropped pegs will work. I have an R front and side fairings adapted, BTW. The wife? IMHO, she needs some sort of variable speed drive so she doesn't have to worry about the distraction of shifting, yet with enough power to keep up with the big boys,in the short term at least. | ||
| Court |
Rock ........ Meet hard place. What ....... I am wondering ...... Do folks think would be a fair price for the 2014 technology? At what price could your dealer sell 12 units a year? It matters. P.S. - sitting at JFK waiting for a Buell legend to clear customs ... Coming from Istanbul... for an all night jazz adventure before his 6am flight. | ||
| Hughlysses |
^ I'm guessing with some kind of assurance that EBR can be expected to stay in business at least 3-5 years, a reasonable price for a "2014" bike with a warranty would be slightly higher than the recent fire sale prices. Maybe $12k? Court- with no information to the contrary, it seems we've all assumed the bikes at the factory are 2015 model year units and practically identical to the 2014 models. Given that the factory shut down in April, is it possible these were always intended to be 2016 model bikes, maybe with some significant improvements, such as ABS? That might justify a little higher price. Dan, I'm guessing you know the answer to this question, but you may not be able to answer. | ||
| Mog |
$13,497.85 w/o ABS    | ||
| Snacktoast |
maybe with some significant improvements, such as ABS? No to the ABS. It wasn't ready in April 2015. Surely it is not now. | ||
| Snacktoast |
Do folks think would be a fair price for the 2014 technology? Indeed, that is the $(100)million question. At $18999/16999, everyone said they were "too expensive." At fire sale prices (~$10k), given circumstances for about 10 months, they were still "too expensive" for many. A very tough market to crack, the superbike market is. Yet, it was still logically the only way forward for EBR in the short term. Sure we can argue till we're blue in the face about racing, marketing, etc. However, sometimes there are just some incredibly high odds stacked against you and the stars don't always align. Of course, none of the above says I'm not rooting for future success! | ||
| Snacktoast |
I am thinking exactly the same thing. I have a feeling LAP thought this was going to be a lot easier than it really will be. And I would argue that probably isn't true. Here's why: LAP has been in the game for a LONG time. Granted, they may not be seasoned in the art of running a motorcycle business, however I have known many business people over the years that "get it" when it comes to opportunities to capitalize on...and not just in a liquidation or "quick buck" sense. I think they had a pretty good idea what they were getting into, whether their intentions are long term ownership or not (I personally doubt they would be long term). Their job is to turn a profit on the assets that they acquire, obviously. Given their connections to investors and businesspersons in general, I would be surprised if they didn't go into this with a detailed plan to maximize the opportunity. | ||
| Ljm |
If Mog is right, I am buying another one, especially if they look like a going concern. I couldn't bring myself to buy a Panigale and still can't. I ride a S1000rr and a Daytona 675 on the track, and they still don't do it the way an EBR does. Nice bikes, some whizz bang stuff but don't ride like a Buell designed bike. My guess: $14,295. I had a friend visit a couple weeks ago. He rode the 1125r and the SX. He is now trying to figure out how to smuggle one into, well, some country where it, er, can't be registered. (Message edited by ljm on March 12, 2016) | ||
| Ratbuell |
Big thing that could help bump up pricing from fire-sale time would be a good warranty and good support. Fire sale prices were literally "as-is, where-is" prices because there wasn't a company to do any supporting. If LAP can show/prove/convince buyers that someone will be around to support them and their new purchase as time goes by...it could justify a higher price tag. But only if they know how to market that properly. If there's no after-purchase support...you might as well start off with used-bike pricing. | ||
| Davegess |
The number one thing to remember is that these bikes are into way "old" tech. Lacking some of the bells and whistles perhaps but most of that stuff is simply lipstick. The EBR is a truly outstanding bike. If you appreciate handling finesse and exceptional bike control you can't beat these. There are easier to ride to your limit, except for the rare individual like Cory it is your limit not the bikes, than any other product out there. The posses all the historic Buell attributes, lighter, quicker street, more stable, etc, than the competition. sure they make a little less power; ho much power can you really use on the street, heck even the race course. The few guys racing these in stock classes are doing exceptionally well, the things are really nice bikes. If you can get one for close to the price of a Japanese super bike I say make it happen, you won't be sorry. And screw the warranty, the chance of really significant failures in one year are very small unless you ride the piss out of bike, I am also pretty sure that if EBR really was to go away permanently that someone would have parts and technical advice available for a long time. Heck you sere able to get parts and advice on old RR and RS bikes long after Buell Motor Company closed down back in 1991. Buy one, ride one, they are very special. | ||
| 2kx1 |
How much is an 8 year old tech cbr1000rr going for? What about a 6year old tech RSV4? What about that R1that they recalled when it was released? From what owners owners have been saying about the Rx and Sx they seem like an excellent bike. These bikes need to be seen,they need exposure. Ebr needs to market these bikes as a hand built American bike that can and will take European and Asian bikes. | ||
| Sparky |
The shop I got my SX from still has 2 RX, 2 SX to sell and they'd like to recoup their dealer's cost. That, I'd imagine, would be a good MSRP going forward. Unfortunately that shop is not getting onboard with the new EBR (with no assurances of the future). Once burned, twice shy? | ||
| Buelliedan |
Unfortunately I have not yet heard of any of the old EBR dealers getting on board with the new LAP EBRs. Has anyone confirmed a dealership yet that is? Somebody said they thought Hals but has that been confirmed? | ||
| Gearheadgrrrl |
OK, so the new owners take the parts on hand and turn them into complete motorcycles. Once they're sold, will they be able to restock and build more bikes, provide warranty, etc.? Or will the new owners forget about the folks who had enough confidence to buy EBR bikes and proceed to liquidate the company? | ||
| Mustang0 |
Hal's Harley in Milwaukee still has a few Buell's for sale at 12,499 and 12,999 and they are the same ones I saw last year in April at higher prices of course. So if those aren't selling at that price. The factory ones will have to be lower I'm thinking. | ||
| Sprintst |
Daveges The whole point of all the electronic gee-whiz on today's bikes is to make them easy to ride to your limit How can you claim the EBR is easy to ride to your limit without??? Mustang - by "Buell" do you mean EBR's for sale? They aren't selling at that price for a couple reasons - #1 - others h ave them cheaper, #2 - no warranty, no dealers, no parts, no support } (Message edited by sprintst on March 12, 2016) (Message edited by sprintst on March 12, 2016) | ||
| Steveford |
I delivered my old S2 to my buddy last night and checked out his new EBR. That's a really impressive package - very tiny, slim and light; it reminded me of sitting on an English Racer style bicycle. | ||
| Jaimec |
If you need electronics, then you're not riding to "your limit," you've already exceeded your limit and the bike is intervening to save your dumb ass. | ||
| 2kx1 |
Most people That can turn off the electronics. | ||
| Sprintst |
Jaimec If you need electronics, then you're not riding to "your limit," you've already exceeded your limit and the bike is intervening to save your dumb ass. Point taken.  } | ||
| Hughlysses |
The number one thing to remember is that these bikes are into way "old" tech. Lacking some of the bells and whistles perhaps but most of that stuff is simply lipstick. The EBR is a truly outstanding bike. If you appreciate handling finesse and exceptional bike control you can't beat these. There are easier to ride to your limit, except for the rare individual like Cory it is your limit not the bikes, than any other product out there. The posses all the historic Buell attributes, lighter, quicker street, more stable, etc, than the competition. sure they make a little less power; ho much power can you really use on the street, heck even the race course. The few guys racing these in stock classes are doing exceptionally well, the things are really nice bikes. If you can get one for close to the price of a Japanese super bike I say make it happen, you won't be sorry. And screw the warranty, the chance of really significant failures in one year are very small unless you ride the piss out of bike, I am also pretty sure that if EBR really was to go away permanently that someone would have parts and technical advice available for a long time. Heck you sere able to get parts and advice on old RR and RS bikes long after Buell Motor Company closed down back in 1991. Buy one, ride one, they are very special. Dave- Those all seem like very attractive points to a lot of riders. EBR desperately needs someone to market those points with a well-done ad campaign. |
