| Author | Message | ||
     Needforspeed |
As many have pointed out; we do not know what is going on behind the scenes. What I believe right now is: 1. I can get part based on what was in stock when EBR shut down. I have ordered and have a shipping tracking number on my order. 2. We see information that appears at some level that there will be a 2016 model. A. Like many other bike companies it could be a no change from previous year bike. Just stamped date and serial number change. B. Or there will be just some minor change to denote a new year. I would be shocked to see more than that so quickly. LAP may have things already moving on the back end for some other company to take on that task of manufacturing the bikes but are waiting to be sure all works before announcing more. I can say the parts took muck longer to process than I would have expected based on when things where announced about being able to order parts. So we shall see what happens. | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
Could this be the last LAP......  | ||
| Henshao |
Has it already been explained why Belfer doesn't buy EBR from LAP? | ||
| Hughlysses |
Bruce hasn't said much since LAP acquired EBR, except to say we should take them at their word that they want EBR to resume production and be successful. Who knows what may be going on behind the scenes. | ||
| Court |
Belfer . . . and this is only my PERSONAL OPINION . . . has said way too much while things were unfolding. He is under absolutely no obligation to say a word now and, were I counseling him I'd tell him to cue off Erik and say about the same amount publicly There's a reason for that. But . . all the parties have their own counsel and that is ONLY MY PERSONAL OPINION and he has infinitely more facts than I. | ||
| Needforspeed |
I understand there are times to be quite and sometime it is for legal or negotiations reasons. It would be nice to hear more and understand what is going on. I see EBR listed at the International Motorcycle Show in Chicago http://www.motorcycleshows.com/sites/motorcyclesho ws.com/files/uploaded/CHI%202_9.pdf I hear that EBR is suppose to go into some level of production (if that is build what is already on the line or start the whole line is unclear) this year. I have much to hope for but will keep a "I will believe it when I see it" attitude going forward. I do hope the best for EBR. I own an EBR 1190RX and would like to see it continue to evolve and I have a Buell 1125R which I would like to still get parts for. I think I am old enough that I am on my last Superbike level bike; but, who knows if something awesome comes out of EBR (Sport touring model) I might spend money on a new bike again. | ||
| Sprintst |
Has it already been explained why Belfer doesn't buy EBR from LAP? Why would anyone pay their overhead, when they could have bought it for less in the auction??} | ||
| Needforspeed |
It might makes since for Belfer if Belfer got funding from LAP that he could not get from others. Also if LAP is able to liquidate items that Belfer did not want and then provide a running company that he can finance it would also make since. However, at this point I think we all have to wait and see how this all plays out. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Man yall are still talking about Bruce? lol | ||
| Blake |
And hybrid is still the forum critic of what people choose to talk about. LOL | ||
| Reepicheep |
And a resident expert on what others are doing wrong, based on his extensive experience for all the stuff he never did himself. | ||
| Court |
>>>>And a resident expert on what others are doing wrong, based on his extensive experience for all the stuff he never did himself. Hahahaha . . . you read my mind. As I read that comment yesterday that was nearly verbatim what raced through my mind . . . . the person with the least knowledge of any situation proclaiming intellectual dominion. Saints above be kind if he sets his sights on me. My life is a collection of failures, aborted starts and aimless wandering. Belter, while I'm not convinced he payed his cards the way I would have, was the ONE PERSON at the table for quite some time. I know very few details but can't help but admire his enthusiasm. I suspect . . . . with the passage of time and tide . . . .that details will filter out and folks' actions will become clearer with the help of a rear view mirror. Until that time, knowing so damn little, I;m staying away of any sweeping "right or wrong" proclamations. But . . . that's the one bit of wisdom I've acquired from all the things I've screwed up over the years. | ||
| Swampy |
Bruce Belfer was the one person that had an interest in investing in EBR to reach out to the EBR fans through the Badweb LAP did not. Neither did any other entities(if there were any) So yes...the enthusiasm was there. | ||
| Zhen13 |
@Swanpy You got a point there. Grow your hair long and nobody will notice. I totally agree. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Well is too bad enthusiasm doesnt win auctions. | ||
| Henshao |
Well, can you tell us the (presumably strategic) reason for not saying anything or can you not say anything about not saying anything Court? | ||
| Jon |
Personally I think Bruce helped LAP in the end. None of us knows what agreement might have been made, but by the numbers, this is pretty obvious. Not that it's a bad thing. I suspect the right people were acting for Buell's good. | ||
| Swampy |
Nobody knows.... That's the point None of us were on the inside during whatever it was that occurred. One person vocalized his support, plans and hopes, but something else happened, and now we have what we have, LAP is now promoting 2016 EBRs The best WE can hope for is for sometime in the future Erik or Bruce or someone from LAP could fill us in as to what happened. Crap, we don't even really know why what happened in 2009 happened. | ||
| Court |
And ...... The good news is that LOTS of familiar faces are suddenly appearing at EBR. | ||
| Cmmagnussen |
Yeah it is starting to look less and less like a strip down, cash out and run. | ||
| Stevel |
I am very curious to know what is happening. I will say that I finally got a price on my parts cost from LAP. There is no perceived discount or liquidation pricing. It appears to me that I paid retail cost and a very rude charge for shipping. | ||
| Hughlysses |
I am very curious to know what is happening. I will say that I finally got a price on my parts cost from LAP. There is no perceived discount or liquidation pricing. It appears to me that I paid retail cost and a very rude charge for shipping. Steve- did you compare on-line prices for the parts at AF1 Racing? https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodList.a sp?idCategory=2735 | ||
| Court |
The pricing, at present, should look almost insanely low. By the way . . . that is having some wonderful effects in places less obvious to the eye. This could be valuable in courting investors. (Message edited by court on February 19, 2016) | ||
| Hughlysses |
By the way . . . that is having some wonderful effects in places less obvious to the eye. This could be valuable in courting investors. If posts at ebrforum.com are any indication, every EBR owner out there is snapping up all the parts they can afford. | ||
| Court |
>>>>If posts at ebrforum.com are any indication, every EBR owner out there is snapping up all the parts they can afford. Tip of the iceberg . . . . think bigger picture. What do you suppose those prices did the the COG of a bike? | ||
| 1313 |
What do you suppose those prices did the the COG of a bike? Devalued every 2014 EBR 1190RX and 1190SX even further. You asked, I responded.... Yes, I realize that it is just a side effect of the COG of a bike being lowered. And for Stevel, you most definitely are a true German! LAP's prices - from what I've surveyed - are 80% of retail. I'm gladly accepting 20% off retail and parts being available rather than full retail but limited availability. I look forward to the time when I can look back at this roller coaster as a distant memory and EBR is back to the stable, sustainable, American Sport Motorcycle brand that I know it can be! 1313 | ||
| Mrlogix |
and a very rude charge for shipping. international shipping rates | ||
| Ljm |
So, I figure it is an opportunity to get parts. If shipping and handling is unpalatable, problem solve like I did when I bought a clutch cover in Great Britain. Went to a friend in Wales, then on to me. | ||
| Blake |
It's bewildering when people expect a business venture to share insider goings on via web forum and then express frustration when it happens but not to their satisfaction. Mr. Belfer's candid participation here during his quest to purchase EBR is something largely unprecedented. I was floored and grateful for it. I'm still rooting for him to succeed. Please try to stay positive. If you're really interested in the state of the deal between LAP and EBR, please contact LAP and ask them whatever question is on your mind. Who knows, they might answer.  This is a long shot, but fun to consider. EBR now has their own engine in house. I wonder how many Buell enthusiastic Harley-Davidson dealers would eagerly welcome American sport bikes back into their showroom and their service bays? I wonder how much consideration they would receive by the current folks at HDMC? Get the grown-ups in a room, ditch all the petty grudges and prejudices, and talk it out! The performance is there. Product wise, to sell the brand based upon existing product, the one focus in my view that EBR/LAP needs going forward is a knockout proposal for much improved aesthetics. That side mounted muffler has got to go. The dash and upper triple clamp and switches, controls and bars must exude pure F1 racing, fighter jet no-nonsense fit, finish and quality, yes, even on the naked version. That is what the rider is face to face with sitting on the bike. It's what he holds onto and what he touches and looks at while riding. Take a que from Apple and Steve Jobs, don't settle for less than spectacular in form or user interface. Elegant simplicity, exceptional in perceived quality. Simple, sleek, timeless quality and artfulness. Sell, sell, sell! (Message edited by blake on February 19, 2016) | ||
| Court |
I could not agree more. EBR is . . . potentially . . . positioned, via a couple shrewd moves, to great things and with all due respect to my hearse driving colleague, friend and associate I think some of the things that lie on the current trajectory may serve to enhance the value of EBR/1 bikes. Mr. Belfer has bee honest, forthright and engaged. He's also remained a gentlemen after taking a couple cheap shots below the belt. He's talked more than I would have and I'm not sure I'm entirely aligned with his business style but I'd bet dollars to donuts that he'd question some of mine. Difference is . . . he is in the fight, I am not. I have no right to second guess him Until given reason otherwise he has my complete and total respect. Some very smart people who can get us to the moon in this decade have arrived in East Troy. Some, I confess, I'd have bet against rejoining the band. This increases my excitement. I'm betting . . . in less than 90 days . . . we'll get a bit of a peek-a-boo at something that's been hiding behind that curtain. Hero f**ked up. Never wait to attack your enemy when the bomb design is complete except for the fuse. My bet is on Erik Buell and The Elves. Just my PERSONAL OPINION. |
