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Hughlysses
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2014 - 06:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Posted to Hero's Facebook page early this morning (previously mentioned in the WSBK thread elsewhere on this site):


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The Hastur comes with a water-cooled parallel twin engine that delivers the power of 80 PS @ 9600 rpm. This explosive power delivery comes from a new and very compact powerplant that serves as a stressed member of the chassis for optimum mass centralisation to give best in class handling and maneuverability.





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K12pilot
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2014 - 08:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looks like a fun bike to ride.
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Ljm
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2014 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Go to the Hero Motorcorp facebook page. They are way out there in terms of concepts, e.g. the Ion and the siplecity electric bike.
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Ezblast
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2014 - 05:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://buellnews.com/moto-news/hero/82-hero-hastur -revealed
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Midknyte
Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2014 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 09:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Very cool, that bike keeps looking better and better.

Cartridge transmission
EBR controlled swirl technology
LED Headlight
Lithium Ion Battery

Anybody found any MPG figures yet? I bet they are going to be pretty remarkable.

How much of that they can get to production, and at what price, what quality, and what volume will be exciting to watch.

I suspect I'd pick it over an SV-650 already.
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Bigblock
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 01:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

that actually looks pretty darn sweet...
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Rocket_in_uk
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 05:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's not a real bike. What's pictured is a mock up. It has never run. Likely because there's no engine internals, nor I doubt an electronics system in operation.

If it were a real bike they'd be showing us one which has run. In other words they wouldn't be showing just one if they had more. And they'd be quick to show us a working example. But they can't as all they have is a mack up and you're looking at it.


Rocket in England
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's seems pretty certain they've got a working modern 250cc plant for their "real" new bike. From an engineering and manufacturing standpoint, it'd be easy to stroke that to 310cc and then make a twin based on that. If the 250 is ready to go (which it appears to be), it seems this 620 is well within their capabilities to produce.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 08:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Last week everyone said it was just photoshop. So if it went from photoshop to 3d model in 4 days, then surely it will be in full production by next Tuesday. ; )

The Ion is a model. That's a running motorcycle.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 09:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Erik Van Winkle . . . and those nearly 100 Elves . . . have NOT been asleep for the past 4 years.

They've been in business . . .big business and are just now adding motorcycles to the mix.

Nobody spent the millions putting these concepts into a "form to be viewed" just to while away spare hours . . . .
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Trojan
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 05:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Hastur comes with a water-cooled parallel twin engine that delivers the power of 80 PS @ 9600 rpm. This explosive power delivery comes from a new and very compact powerplant

explosive in relation to what? Other Indian bikes?

It had better be priced really cheap or it won't stand a chance against Yamaha's MT07 and other new middle weights that the big companies are starting to produce in place of the diminishing sportsbike markets.
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Fast1075
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 05:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I said I thought the engine was photoshopped. The angle of that first picture made it look that way.
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Rocket_in_uk
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 06:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From an engineering and manufacturing standpoint, it'd be easy to stroke that to 310cc and then make a twin based on that. If the 250 is ready to go (which it appears to be), it seems this 620 is well within their capabilities to produce.

So why haven't they? Could it be there's no intention of bringing this bike to market as this is nothing more than a company desperate to show it can flex its bulky biceps and they're just gauging industry and public reaction. I think so. This is not the start of a production based venture. It's a smoke screen to champion their new found company and perhaps help lift sales internationally (not domestic) of their new model 250.


Last week everyone said it was just photoshop. So if it went from photoshop to 3d model in 4 days, then surely it will be in full production by next Tuesday.

That is because last week the event organisers (suspiciously set up to do so I might add) leaked a photoshop type pic ahaead of the shows opening where it was said Hero were going to show the actual prototype bike. Which is exactly what has happened. Fact is it still remains a dummy and is not a running motorcycle.



Nobody spent the millions putting these concepts into a "form to be viewed" just to while away spare hours . . . .

Like all manufacturers do then. It's what they do next what counts otherwise all this was is an exercise in showing off.


Let's be clear here. No one is knocking Hero for their efforts. Likewise no one should be championing EBR for something no one knows they've done other than to be associated in business with Hero. Like Matt said. Take off the rose tinted glasses.


Rocket in England
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M2typhoon
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 06:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hmm.. I look at the pegs, riding position and overall geometry and it reminds me of an abstract S1.
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Court
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 06:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

“Never forget that only dead fish swim with the stream.” - Malcolm Muggeridge


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Trojan
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 07:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

“Never forget that only dead fish swim with the stream.”

So how do salmon ever reach the sea?
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Milt
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 09:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The engine looks like it's made of aluminum paint covered plastic.
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Mog
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Milt, good observation and probably very accurate. Looks as though there is plenty of room for a wide selection of new head/valve arrangements.

Maybe I have missed some other peoples comments but the front wheel brake disks seem to be mounted as a hybrid of Erik's perimeter system, as a dual unit. Could possibly share more stopping torque with the rim rather than the hub.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 10:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fact is it still remains a dummy and is not a running motorcycle.

Rocket,
I don't know where you get your "facts" but maybe you should take a closer look at these pics posted on another thread.


http://indianautosblog.com/2014/02/hero-hastur-116 240#

Granted the radiator looks a little "agricultural" and I'm not sure of the purpose of the prong mounted under the left side of the seat. Also the sheet metal covers look a little funky but it certainly looks like a working motorcycle.

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1313
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 12:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So how do salmon ever reach the sea?

Something to do with magnetic fields a recent study suggests,
1313


(Message edited by 1313 on February 08, 2014)
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Reepicheep
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 08:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good observation Mog! I missed that. You are right, it looks like a "half ZTL" (half way out the wheel) with a 6 piston caliper. Which isn't a bad idea, you can still get a lot of the benefits but with less cost (and perhaps some patent issue dodging).
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Hughlysses
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 08:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

^ While cool, I don't believe we can count that has an EBR/Hero innovation. That front brake disk mounting arrangement seems to be getting common among recent superbikes. Here's a photo of the current Ducati Panigale showing the same thing:

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Rocket_in_uk
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 09:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rocket,
I don't know where you get your "facts" but maybe you should take a closer look at these pics posted on another thread.


What am I looking at in those pics Gregg? There is no proof this bike is a runner. The exhausts are not blued. It looks like it's never turned a wheel with a rider on it. If it were so do you not think we'd have seen, or at least heard of one running? My "guess" is the engine is a mock up with no internals.

Put it another way. This is a fantastic looking bike. More so given it's a first attempt in this class and at this level of manufacture. I mena look at it. It's state of the art. It's fabulous. It's nothing like the Chinese have done on their own. Nothing Eastern Block. Yet it is Indian. Well you could be forgiven for thinking its origins were utterly Italian it looks that good.

If I had just made such a motorcycle I'd have some fancy rider thrashing it to death pretty much like Ducati did when they promoted their Hypermotard with Xaus on board!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp50zYudEXM


But you know, I might be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time : )


Rocket in England
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 07:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hugh,

I don't think the brake mounting scheme on the Ducati is like the one on the Hero at all. The Duc is still employing a separate carrier that bolts to the wheel hub. Not so on the Hero. No carrier, no connection to any wheel hub. The hero disk is held in place at mid-spoke by the actual wheel spoke scheme. Recall the Blast had a similar arrangement, but not so well refined.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 08:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake- yep, you're right about the Duc, but I'm certain I've seen a similar brake mounting arrangement on another recent sport bike. If I can find an example, I'll post up.
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2014 - 02:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buell Blast.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2014 - 12:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK, I found one of the bikes I was thinking of. Here's the current Honda CBR 650F; very similar brake mounting to the Hero:

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Rocket_in_uk
Posted on Sunday, February 09, 2014 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Honda has fat spokes from the rotors to the hub assembly, which also looks larger in size / diameter, where as the Hero is thin spoked all the way from rim to hub, and the hub not visible from the side profile.

Could this be Erik Buells work?


Rocket in England
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