| Author | Message | ||
     Hughlysses |
I'd imagine with considerable input from EBR: http://www.bikewale.com/news/613-hero-motocorp-dev elops-three-new-engines.html | ||
| Reepicheep |
Cool! Can't wait to hear more! | ||
| Fireboltwillie |
it may be a stretch, but why does a Buell designed Hero line of dirtbikes come to mind? hmmmmm. btw, i have no knowledge of any such thing. just imagining. | ||
| Hughlysses |
A little more info in this article, and confirmation that EBR was involved in the development of the 250cc engine. Apparently existing Hero bikes are powered by Honda designed engines left over from their previous alliance with Honda. http://www.wheelsunplugged.com/news/hero-develops- three-new-engines-be-featured-products-2014/1949 | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
They used to be called "Hero Honda", all their bikes are Honda derivatives dating to the 80's. (Dig the skinny forks & tires.) Asian market standards. | ||
| Mesozoic |
For the record, you can buy a Hayabusa and Honda CB1000s in India. I've seen them tear past me on the highway near New Delhi before. People ride small commuter bikes in town, then bust out the big guns for the real riding! | ||
| Xb1125r |
Is it safe to ride those bikes there, do you really want to crash with a cow | ||
| Classax |
If Hero can demonstrate good value at the bargain price point they will do well. The low ccc commuter, segment just hasn't done well here in the US because for what you are getting the the normal big 4 offerings are just too much money. I wish them luck because they are going to need it. | ||
| Torquehd |
Is it safe to ride those bikes there, do you really want to crash with a cow Cows are sacred, that's why they roam freely in the city streets and eat garbage. At least in Nepal, which is like the mexico of India. | ||
| Fast1075 |
In my area until recently, you almost never saw anyone on a scooter except snow birds on occasion. Now scooters are EVERYWHERE. Not HONDA, YAMAHA, or SUZUKI. Cheap Chinese scooters that sell for less than $800.00. As the economy worsens, and fuel keeps going up, more and more people are using them for trips to town, short commute, etc. If Hero can put forth a good product in the middle, they will sell TONS of scooters and small bikes. Especially if they can make a spirited 250. Hell the 250 Ninja has been Kawi's best seller for YEARS. | ||
| Mog |
This is a PURELY FICTITIOUS PRESS RELEASE that I would like to not be fiction. HERO and EBR announced today the new 250cc engine that will power motorcycles in both India and the USA. The diminutive 250 puts out a whopping 41 hp by utilizing the Coates International CSRV head on a new and well balanced 250 base with strengthened gear box. Company officials related the Coates write up to the press "The CSRV System is comprised of only two moving shafts and does not utilize oil pressure fed bearings, or oil spray; in fact, no engine oil is present in the head of the CSRV Engine. This means the engine oil does not see the hottest parts of the engine, which was the exhaust Poppet Valves. These extremely hot components usually are engine oil spray cooled. This heat would breakdown the atomic structure of the engine oil, thus lowering the oil viscosity, therefore, oil changes are recommended every 3,000 to 5,000 miles. On the other hand, with the CSRV incorporated in the engine design, oil change intervals are extended to approximately 50,000 miles or more." A picture of the head and a working schematic was provided to a stunned press room.  http://www.coatesengine.com/files/theme/csrv_vs_po ppet.html | ||
| Mog |
A picture of the top end reported above. | ||
| Mesozoic |
Having learned how to ride motorcycles in India from a tender age (12), I can assure you there are way more motorcyclists in India than probably anywhere else in the world. Hero has made most of the better bikes in India for the last 25 years, partnered with Honda. When I last visited the place in 2009, I was amazed to see superhighways in place. We were traveling from Jaipur to New Delhi and we were passed by Hayabusas and the then unavailable in the US, Honda CB1000R! People apparently own multiple motorcycles, including a scooter usually, but the more affluent are investing in special high performance machines for dedicated recreational use. India is not new to the western automotive market anywow. Do you know that the original '55 Willies jeep is still manufactured as new in India? They carry the original Ford badging their tailgates and hoods too! Sometime in the 50s, Royal Enfield (Great Britain) sold the tooling to their Enfield Bullet motorcycles to India. India has been manufacturing them ever since. Now there are companies all over the world, including the US, that are authorized importers and distributors of the classic Enfield Bullet! Last, but not least, India's own Mahindra (known for their farm equipment and tractors) manufacture their own line of Jeeps. They are extremely popular import vehicles in Europe due to their extreme rugged design and diesel power. Played well, the Buell-Hero partnership can produce some of the best street bikes the world has ever seen and allow Erik Buell to design specialized race bred machines with an enthusiastic corporate backing unlike it's ever had before (Harley-Davidson). | ||
| Mog |
OK I will bet the little 250 will bash the crap out of the HD 500  At 480 pounds, the HD twin 494cc weight give away is huge and the Hero 250 should not only out maneuver the HD but may even out accelerate the HD.  | ||
| Midknyte |
> OK I will bet the little 250 will bash the crap out of the HD 500 yes, but, they will each [have visceral] appeal to two different audiences regardless of specs | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
Hey you forgot to mention the Listeroid..... Im digging the spherical valve engine. I hope thats a fact. | ||
| Rex |
When did Harley say, to put a radiator like that on their bike. they did everything they could to not put a radiator on their bikes. ? | ||
| Mhlunsford |
Buell to me meant an American bike which is why two sit in the garage. I would rather go HD than go foreign, but that's just me. | ||
| Mog |
 Hey, as mentioned in above posts, that Coates Spherical Rotary Valve is turning up in China soon......."The Company is working on a CSRV® engine for delivery to China for testing and demonstration for the Chinese Government. The engine that is being made ready is a v-twin 1600cc air-cooled engine or complete Coates motorcycle. In 1995 this CSRV® engine surpassed the EPA emission standards by approximately 50% in road and chassis roller dynamometer tests. The Coates CSRV® motorcycles reachedspeeds of 137 MPH with plenty of throttle left for higher speeds. The CSRV® systems large and small are all the same technology and the smaller v-twin CSRV® engine is less expensive and will take less time to prepare for shipping to China.".....http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?fe ed=MW&date=20131107&id=17084612...... I have a 'fuel' burning desire for this valve train to bounce back to America for a good old kick-ass V twin, no poppet valves and little maintenance....oh, and did I mention a heap of power too? Just dreaming but pinch me every once in a while, please. | ||
| Mog |
try this Coates Engines China, Ltd. to Be Established in Hong Kong China Marketwire | 11/7/2013 | ||
| Court |
>>>I would rather go HD than go foreign You mean the Harley-Davidson that USED to make bikes in Milwaukee? The ones with the Japanese suspension, Australian wheels and all the foreign parts? Quoting from a HD discussion site:
We've had this discussion before . . . . buying a Harley-Davidson, based on "it's American" is a dated an invalid argument. | ||
| Mog |
Court, not to put you on the spot, but I keep getting investment info about the CSRV system getting a 'look see' from India now. In a recent blurb through Raymond James Investments was this......."The meeting with a representative from India at the Coates headquarters in New Jersey on November 14, 2013 was productive. They are extremely interested mainly in manufacturing small CSRV® engines in India for their own market to lower emissions and operate on alternative fuels. They are putting together various proposals to present to the Company which include licensing and joint venture manufacturing in India.".........Just seems a bit coincidental that a V-twin is going to China and India is sending engineers for small engines to Coates. Any tie-ins to EBR? I can ask, might get no answer but what the heck. | ||
| Mog |
Since folks are not talking too much I just thought y'all might like to see the ton of fuel Mr. George Coates of Coates International is throwing on the Yule log fire. Seems Mr. Zig Han from a Chinese company tried on a pair of mouse ears in the Coates dyno room and got a body shake from the 1600 cc Coates Spherical Rotary Valve engine. Actually, the engine noise was substantially less than what most observers had imagined it to be. Yes it is real..... Lots of torque way down in the low rpm range while in top gear with no pre ignition pinging. Loafing at 100 mph at 3700 rpm. The engine has no capability for valve float or busting a return spring or bending a valve. Rpm is limited by the bottom end holding together and high rpm was not the intention of the test. The 1600 cc is a point of departure on an S&S base and it is a good start...... very good. Merry Christmas to all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TnOqbYhf4k#t=24  | ||
| Reepicheep |
What on earth is it supposed to mean to measure peak speed on a dyno? Smells like smoke and mirrors to me. I could likely make my 2nd graders honda XR 50 hit 100 MPH on an inertial dyno, if I was allowed enough time and some minor gearing changes. The coates engine is cool yet to be proven technology. Smoke, mirrors, and loud cruisers going 100 mph ***on a dyno*** make me more skeptical than optimistic. | ||
| Slaughter |
Coates' original patents recently expired. |
