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Court
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/24/8 466128-harley-recalling-more-than-308000-motorcycl es


Ouch


Tough break coming just days after Wandell is on the conference call "apologizing" for Harley's crummy performance number and record low sales.

The excuse was even more interesting . . . they didn't have the people or plant to build the "profitable" big twins and all they could build was Sportsters.

It you were hit with the stupid stick . . . I'm almost certain the bruise would say "Keith".


. . . now where the hell is that cheese?
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 02:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Worse than that. The cheese was momentarily put back where it always used to be, and they *still* couldn't eat it.

Thats the problem with a giant corporation. Nobody to quickly and specifically freak out, even when it's pretty clear the train is running off the tracks. By the time the market responds and internalized the deep damage, it will be too late to help Harley.
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Court
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 02:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There are at least 3 things they could do now to dominate4 the market.

They won't get close to a single one of them.

They can't.

Blinders.
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Moxnix
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Probably a heavy session of the blame game in play.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 08:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Obviously, they can blame all the people they laid off in the product development center... If they had been there, this wouldn't have happened, so clearly it is their fault. ; )
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Slipknot
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would call it a minor issue for most of us but the average hog rider can't seem to grasp the front brake lever or much else concerning real motorcycles.

For some more interesting reading stop over at HD forums and read some stories. For instance, a brand new CVO Road Glide with a top end self destructing. A 30,000+$ bike.

What is most troubling is what I just read in GSpot over at ADV Rider. On another rear end disaster thread one of the inmates states that the crown bearings in the rear drives, being sourced from China, are sealed with a special grease. Only they all arrived in bikes and inventories without any grease. And China sealed bearings are everywhere.
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Slipknot
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 06:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Also a story at HD Forums from someone who took a tour through the factory and spent several minutes watching a woman yak on a cellphone while assembling cranks. At the end of the tour he mentioned it to someone in management who blamed the union.
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Slipknot
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2011 - 06:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Another story repeated is when a HD is taken in for an oil change, the oil is very slow to drain which indicates excessive gasket sealer has spilled into the lower end. This is applied by machine yet is rather sloppy. It can be cleaned out without splitting the cases but the top end must be removed. How's that for quality assembly?
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Scotts1
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2011 - 07:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've done like 100 of these recalls so far.

Scott
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Crackhead
Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2011 - 09:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How about renaming Recalls to Tech Economic Stimulus, TES?
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Mmmi_grad
Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2011 - 07:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thanks for posting this Court.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2011 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>Obviously, they can blame all the people they laid off in the product development center...

That population will soon be increasing . . the deadline passed yesterday for folks to submit their names for "Voluntary Layoff".


quote:

Harley-Davidson is implementing plans outlined in the seven-year contract workers at its Wisconsin-based plants ratified last year, offering employees at three of its Milwaukee-area facilities voluntary layoffs as it reduces staff by about 26%. The plans were first announced in September of 2010 and The Motor Company began asking workers to take part in the voluntary layoffs the first week of December with Harley stating it will wait until the Dec. 23 deadline before deciding whether to begin company enforced layoffs. Financial incentives reportedly have been offered to employees who take them up on the offer, but specifics of the incentives haven't been released.

Employees have to make the difficult decisions by this Friday as H-D wants to trim down its workforce by about 275 workers by next April. If enough workers don’t accept the offer, Harley will then have to make the call as to who stays and who goes as the company transitions from full-time employees to seasonal “casual” workers. Harley anticipates the move is among measures which will help it save about $50 million a year starting in 2013.

Initial reports say 200 positions will be cut from plants in the Milwaukee area by the end of 2012 and approximately 75 out of 275 positions at its Tomahawk facility will be nixed. Temporary “casual workers” will be hired to match seasonal production spikes, but they can be hired for less than full-time employees, are not entitled to medical or retirement benefits, and can be terminated at any time. In our prior article “Wisconsin Harley Workers Vote to Save Plants,” it was reported that positions filled by “casual workers” would receive an estimated $16.80 per hour compared to $30.50 paid to full-time employees doing the same job. Most of the people affected by the layoffs are members of the United Steelworkers and International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers unions. Harley’s current hourly workers are considered part of the company’s overall headcount and are protected by union contracts which require negotiations on matters concerning benefits or downsizing.




http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/568/11827/Motorcycle -Article/Voluntary-Layoffs-for-Wisconsin-Harley-Wo rkers.aspx
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2011 - 08:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can't blame any business for ditching as many bloated union payroll/benefits positions as possible. An average of $60K per year plus benefits for mfg labor? Gee, I wonder why jobs are being lost to other countries. It's so puzzling. What possibly could be the cause? rolleyes
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Jim2
Posted on Monday, December 26, 2011 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wonder if some of these recalls are just so they can get the customers back into the stores so they can buy clothing, bar stools, and do-rags. While they are there they will be amazed by the shiny chrome, buy it and pay to have it installed (bolted on). I also bet that there is a large percentage of the customers that will schedule additional maintenance each time they have to come in. Each recall is probably a cash-cow. Combine creative bean-counter magic to steal from one part of the company and add to another. Cook the books, get free advertising (press), manipulate the stocks... executive get richer, provide an excuse to reset the worker bee wages.

Sorry, I got carried away and inadvertently describe every big corporation and also gave away a few secrets. It's OK though. Overall; nobody will notice.
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Jayvee
Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2011 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

308,000 bikes is a LOT. Not very likely to be any kind of devious strategy. It they were that smart they wouldn't be having the troubles they are...
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, December 27, 2011 - 01:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They are also preparing to pare their workforce by 25% . . . . this following the news that they were unable to meet demand and build a sufficient number of motorcycles due to being setup for the wrong product (big twin over sportster) mix.

Shame when you don't know your own market.

You'd think the CEO and CFO had never been in the business . . .

Oooppps.
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Black
Posted on Wednesday, December 28, 2011 - 08:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I visited an Indian dealership yesterday in Charlotte, North Carolina. They carried some EXPENSIVE machines. Several models in the mid 40K range. Beautifully put together, Brembo brakes, new engine design....more chrome than I have ever seen. Interestingly, they seemed pleased with sales for the year. Appears that Polaris has acquired them. That particular dealership sells both Indian and Victory. Hmmmm...tough economy, expensive machines, small market....doing well anyway.....go figure.
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Onahog
Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How does one find out about the recall?
I just bought a 2009 TriGlide.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>How does one find out about the recall?


HERE
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Onahog
Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thx Court..Guess it was a dumb ???
I will get my dealer to check my VIN# while they are doing the rear brake rotor and pads update on it.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 04:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not a dumb question at all . . . you didn't know, now you do. That's information.

I **think** you can also run your VIN on the HD website.
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Coxster
Posted on Saturday, August 11, 2012 - 06:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hate to see recalls, but I can superficially blame Stupid Keith for it and feel better. On the bright side, local techs may get a little overtime and some needed job security the next few months.
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Onahog
Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court..I checked my vin # on HD site...Its says NO open or closed recalls..Does that mean it hasnt bin done and that No recalls have bin performed on this unit?
Thx in advance.
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