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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


hotnewpart


One part, two things. Brilliant! : )
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 12:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh, and nice to see them pursuing the radiator forced air patent as well. If I can't get the original motor running well in my 1971 Kawasaki F8 Bison, and try and retrofit a parallel twin in there, I may try and infringe on their patent (production volume 1 : ) ).
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 01:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Swuffler
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mufarm
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You ain't seen nothing yet . . .
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Firstbuell
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 04:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

dunno the vintage of that illustration above, but it surely reminds me of circa '08 "Dirtbag Abbie"





(Message edited by firstbuell on November 03, 2010)
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not to mention, think how gorgeous an 1190RR will look without that big exhaust can underneath! Ducati, eat your heart out!

(Message edited by reepicheep on November 02, 2010)
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Rasta_dog
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Exhaust System + Rear Suspension = Exhaustsion
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Zane
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 06:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What happens if the muffler part needs to be replaced? From that drawing it looks like it would be quite a job if possible at all.

Am I just missing something?
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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 06:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The current factory exhaust (and for that matter the current factory swingarm) have no replacable parts of that nature, so you haven't lost anything.

I guess if the inside was steel, it could eventually rust (just like other factory exhausts), and it would just get loud and rattly.
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Greg_e
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 08:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

With the heat and corrosive nature of exhaust gases I see that flex connection failing often. Be really interesting for the track though.
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M2typhoon
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 07:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This can be done without that flex pipe. If the exhaust has a rotatable connection mounted at the same axis as the rotation for the swing arm, this could work.
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46champ
Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does this mean the street 1190 will have belt drive?
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Firstbuell
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2010 - 02:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

^^^^^OK, then does "having a belt drive" still equal "no rear axle adjustment" ?
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Crackhead
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2010 - 03:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

that is very interesting.
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Davegess
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2010 - 04:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think it is most interesting as a view inside Erik's mind. He is always thinking and while the 1125 and XB bikes are cool his brain is a few generations ahead of them.
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Court
Posted on Monday, November 08, 2010 - 09:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>his brain is a few generations ahead of them.

That's a VERY accurate statement.

While everyone was hub-bubbin' over "how do we get the patents?" . . I was in the "who cares . . it's all dated stuff" camp.

You . . . . (well YOU have) . . but most folks haven't seen nothing yet . . .

MIND AT WORK.
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Ducxl
Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 08:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

An interesting and forward thinking design.I like it.The aftermarket may not.THink of the cost associated generating a loud(aftermarket) sound.

With the heat and corrosive nature of exhaust gases I see that flex connection failing often.

Confederate Motorcycles is doing it successfully by manufacturing the "Flex" link out of an Aerospace material called "Inconel".Like those other crazy materials like Monel and Hastalloy
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Black
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 06:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't recall ever using Hastalloy, but Monel and Inconel have been around for a very long time. They are nickel alloys that are extremely corrosion resistant. You will find them on ships and in many marine applications. I'll bet that any flex link made of one of them will be around for a very long time. Good stuff.
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Oddball
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Inconel is used for baffles in some sound suppression equipment.
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Stirz007
Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 06:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Inconel is used for high temperature applications - turbine blades, heat exchangers, and the like. Problem is that it work hardens, so can be a bitch to work with.

the Hellcat used that funky flex fitting to route exhaust through the swingarm.

JM
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Ensigncrusher
Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone have the source for this image? Patent searching isn't turning up anything.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>Anyone have the source for this image?

Yes

>>>Patent searching isn't turning up anything.

Good
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Ensigncrusher
Posted on Saturday, November 20, 2010 - 03:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well that's exceptionally helpful.
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Ljm
Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wtf? I think any info is interesting and helpful
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Motorcyclemike
Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 - 01:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Way to go Court!! Shhh
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nice headlights.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Friday, February 04, 2011 - 10:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I want to know how it sounds ; )
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Billyboy
Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2011 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting design...and now a question by the non-engineer in me. Where do the gasses go that have escaped through the perforations? Are they eventually sucked back through the perfs. and out the tailpiece by the pressure differential? Is there a constant exchange of exhaust as the inner chambers fill and then are sucked out? My uneducated guess is that this would be fairly quiet, too...

(Message edited by billyboy on March 03, 2011)
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86129squids
Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2011 - 04:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Uhhh- hey dude, bitchin Buell!! Kewl bike, wonder how to stretch and slam that thing...?"

(actual conversation from one or more of my days selling them, paraphrased...)

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86129squids
Posted on Saturday, April 02, 2011 - 04:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Nice headlights."

Ummm, hhhuhhuhuhhh hhhuhhhhhuhhuhuhhhhh....

Try the high-beams....

hhhuuhhhhuhhhhh hhuhuhhhuhuhhhhhhuhuhuhhh...

That's cool.
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Gmaan03
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 - 01:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Inconel is as you said brittle. It is probably made out of Titanium, very stong, yet flexable
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Blake
Posted on Monday, April 25, 2011 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Inconel is brittle??? : ? There are a number of different "Inconel" alloys. Some are quite ductile.

{INCONEL alloy 686 exhibits an excellent combination of strength, ductility, and toughness when
either annealed or cold worked. The tensile properties of the alloy at room temperature are seen in
Table 4. The yield strength and impact strength of cold worked alloy 686 bar are reported in Table 5.

TABLE 5
ROOM TEMPERATURE TENSILE PROPERTIES FOR COLD WORKED ALLOY 686
Size, Mill Form, % Cold Work0.2% Yield Strength ksi (MPa)Tensile Strength ksi (MPa)% Reduction of Area % Elongation Hardness HRC
0.875 in. Plate 10%110.7 (763) 136.5 (941) 65.4% 36.1% 29
0.75 in. Bar 32%148.0 (1020) 161.7 (1115) 54.1% 23.1% 36
1.5 in. Bar 17%114.8 (792) 144.0 (993)56.8% 34.6% 27
0.562 in. Hex Bar 8% 95.3 (657) 130.3 (896) 64.5% 47.6% 26


from http://www.specialmetals.com/documents/Alloy%20Sol ution%20to%20Marine%20Fastener%20Problems.pdf
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