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Buellistic
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 05:45 pm: | 
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What was the exact failures of each of the
Bikes by RIDER Name/Number ??? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 08:05 pm: |
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Steve Crevier #65, unknown as of yet
Mike Cicotto #113, clutch hub
Rico Penzkofer #324, clutch hub
Jeremy McWilliams #999, timing wheel |
Captpete
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 02:17 am: |
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Annoy: I’m not asking this question to be flippant, and neither am I switching over to the negative side. Until the 200, I’d never watched a motorcycle race in my life, and because of where I live right now, I still haven’t.
My question is one of curiosity and general logic. If you are getting a bike ready for a race like the 200, doesn’t it make sense to get some riders, or a team of riders, and put it through that kind of test first, and see what breaks?
I know that track time for practice was at a premium, but that should only take a couple of hours to accomplish.
Maybe this is a dumb question, and maybe you did that and nothing broke? Or maybe all the time was needed to just get the bikes dialed in for their best performance? But the endurance issue put them out, so I would have thought that its priority would have come first?
I know, I’m looking through those 20-20 hindsight glasses, and I don’t know what I’m looking at in the first place.
Maybe winning this race wasn’t the top priority, but one stage in the development process, and what needed to be learned now was how to make them go fast, with the knowledge that as a side benefit any endurance issues would make themselves apparent?
(And if you want to put me in that other group, the “Dunno Craps,” that’s fine, ‘cause it’s the truth. Maybe I’ll learn a little bit more soon.)
Anyway, keep on keeping on. You made a (Buell) race fan out of me.
I just wish I had a TV.
Capt. Pete |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 02:24 am: |
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Captpete,
A racing motorcycle follows the old weakest link in the chain analogy.
They did do testing, but every time you fix one problem (make it stronger) the
weakness of another component becomes clear. Things that would not have
been a problem before become the new weakest link. This process usually takes
many months, sometimes years to sort out. Buell is doing it's collective best to
accelerate the process. Next time out will be better.
They gained invaluable knowledge at Daytona and every time out they learn more.
(Message edited by diablobrian on March 17, 2006) |
Whodom
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 06:04 am: |
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Captpete,
Anony mentioned in a previous post on another thread that they had changed the clutch hubs on all of the bikes shortly before the race to ensure that the parts had as little wear as possible. The "fresh" hubs had manufacturing defects (porosity) which caused them to fail. This was the first occurrence of this problem.
He also mentioned that the timing wheel on McWilliams' bike was a one-off custom piece made by laser cutting because the factory replacement part couldn't be delivered in time. The laser cutting process produced a sharp corner which lead to fatigue failure at this point. The factory part wouldn't have had a problem.
You can bet the guys at Buell are thoroughly analyzing the manufacturing process for the clutch hubs to make sure the porosity problem is eliminated and that they'll be very careful if they use non-factory timing wheels in the future.
(Message edited by whodom on March 17, 2006) |
Cluckcluckpush
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 07:06 am: |
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And that is why racing is so important in developing a rock solid street bike, the more stuff that busts on the track the more they learn and improve parts for everyone. Clutch hubs will be greatly improved! Laser cutting will be examined carefully.
Anony, please keep us posted as to who will be racing where this season, we will be at our local track cheering on an intellectually growing company that we call our own! Daytona 06 will be remembered as a success by me! |
Captpete
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 07:24 am: |
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Brian, your weakest link anology makes great sense. And Whodom, I read the stuff you mentioned, but never put it all together with the weakest link that Brian talked about. I guess I haven't been paying the attention I should have. Got too caught up in all the opinions rather than the facts, I guess. You guys sorted it out nicely.
Understanding exactly how that process went down makes the remainder of the season that much more exciting to look forward to. I may still be a neophyte racing fan, but I bet I know more about what my team's up to than those factory team fans. That's pretty damned cool!
Thanks, guys. |
Davegess
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 10:09 am: |
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Capt, thye ran motors on dyno far in excess of 200 miles. The problems they had never appeared prior to the race so a bad batch makes some sense. The bike just got back to the factory Weddesday night so I suspect the truth will be know by Monday |
Kcfirebolt
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 11:04 am: |
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Irony: Japanese Parts Caused Buell Retirements In Daytona 200
Mar 17, 2006
Read it here
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=25282
(Message edited by davegess on March 17, 2006)
(Message edited by davegess on March 17, 2006) |
Whodom
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 11:12 am: |
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Japanese Parts Caused Buell Retirements In Daytona 200
Sabotage!!!  |
Lowflyer
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 11:21 am: |
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"Sabotage!!!"
I was about to post the same thing. |
Court
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 11:38 am: |
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Some will be content to talk while other will pickup the gauntlet and ACT.
Actions speak louder than words.
Court - come race with me! |
Henrik
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 11:42 am: |
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Capt. Pete; don't know what your connection speed is like, but Speed TV has a pay-per-view broadband service for racing events:
http://gms.speedtv.com/
I haven't tried it. Just heard about it myself, but it might be an option. Of course they're not listing any of the FX races ...?
Their online demo is pretty cool.
Henrik |
Davegess
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 12:40 pm: |
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kcfirebolt, I edited you message to make it a link to the page. Don't want to copy copyrighted material here. Follow the link help RRW make some money. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 12:49 pm: |
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Remember Perl Harbor! Errr... Daytona!
... Time to dust off the P51 toothy grin artwork and get it painted on an RR fairing. |
M1combat
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 01:32 pm: |
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Yeah!!!
They'll all start painting their's white with a red circle and it's ON! |
Xlcr
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 01:41 pm: |
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Those were P-40s, not P-51s. |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 01:55 pm: |
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Thank you Dave!  |
Moxnix
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 02:08 pm: |
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Will the following help?: Hurricane Machined Timing Rotor, available at NRHS for under $50. |
Loki
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 02:11 pm: |
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caution humor ahead....
"hey the XBRR was made legal."
"say what?"
"it is true."
"we might be in trouble."
"no we won't"
"what do you mean?"
"they just ordered some clutches from us."
"to bad, very bad for them." |
Whodom
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 02:12 pm: |
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Will the following help?: Hurricane Machined Timing Rotor, available at NRHS for under $50.
Probably not since the XBRR appears to use a timing wheel mounted on the primary chain side of the crank, unlike previous Buells and Sportsters where it's mounted on the end of one of the cams. |
Court
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 02:44 pm: |
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That's funny!
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Buellistic
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 03:07 pm: |
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It worked for years on the "RIGHT SIDE" ??? |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 03:27 pm: |
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It may work even better on the left, though that is difficult for me to swallow, politically speaking anyways.  |
Whodom
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 03:45 pm: |
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Well, from a non-political viewpoint, it should work better being mounted directly on the crank (as opposed to being mounted on a cam) by providing slightly more accurate ignition timing (no gear lash to contend with).
From a political standpoint, I'm sure someone will claim mounting it on the left side is "progressive"...  |
Buellistic
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 03:52 pm: |
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Who in there RIGHT mind would put the ignition on the primary/clutch cover and transmission access ??? This is a design problem !!! |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 03:55 pm: |
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Now that's FUNNY Blake! |
Captpete
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 04:03 pm: |
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Thanks, Henrik. I tried every way possible to see that race out here, and ran across that option in the process. Right now, I’m lucky to have a dial-up connection. They do have cable out here and I’ve got a friend who’s a TV junkie and has the Full Monte plan. But no Speed TV available. The best I can do is the BadWeB, but that’s not bad. |
Jima4media
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 05:12 pm: |
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While Buell and Harley outsource the clutches to Fuji Chemical (FCC) in Japan, FCC outsources the parts to China and Viet Nam.
Somebody didn't QC the low-bid parts properly. |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 05:31 pm: |
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Low bid? Highly doubtful.
Or did you get that info from the two FCC engineers in the Buell paddock? |
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