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Tpoppa
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 01:47 pm: | 
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http://www.ussuperbike.com/article.php?UID=XVnCe5umuwjy9iSQ5WuFRUB4ZkFOP3&aid=74 15
February 10, 2006
AMA Pro Racing confirmed today that the Buell XBRR motorcycle, the race-kitted variant of the road-going XB12R, is eligible for competition in the AMA Formula Xtreme Series.
In making the announcement AMA Pro Racing Director of Competition, Merrill Vanderslice noted that AMA Pro Racing technical personnel have inspected the motorcycle and it was determined that Buell has met the requirements for the XBRR to be eligible for AMA Formula Xtreme.
“By design, Formula Xtreme rules are the most liberal of all the classes within the AMA Superbike Championship,” stated Vanderslice. “The class was created with broad equipment parameters and air-cooled V-twins are afforded the most latitude. Buell has based this motorcycle on its XB12R street bike and the modifications made are within the rules allowed in the class.”
Vanderslice acknowledged that a press release distributed by Buell to announce the motorcycle may have created some confusion as to the bike’s eligibility.
“Regardless of the wording in the release, the bottom line is that Buell has produced a racetrack version of an existing street motorcycle and modified it within the rules,” he noted. “We were aware of Buell’s plans and inspected the motorcycle on Friday, Feb. 3 as part of the approval process.
“The intent of the Formula Xtreme class is to include a diverse group of motorcycles, and we welcome Buell’s increased participation in AMA championship racing. We are confident the company’s inclusion will enhance the sport of motorcycle road racing.” |
Dbird29
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 02:05 pm: |
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Think that will put it to rest?
I doubt it.
Do not understimate the tenacity of the Buell Haters©.
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Diablobrian
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 02:08 pm: |
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OUTSTANDING!!!! They didn't knuckle under for the japanese!
GO BUELL!!!!!! |
Whodom
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 02:09 pm: |
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Whatever the naysayers say, just remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity.
(Message edited by whodom on February 10, 2006) |
Buellerx
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 02:40 pm: |
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Daytona here we come
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Jon
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 03:14 pm: |
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Never doubted Buell. They are too smart and thorough to miss this approval business. |
Crusty
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 04:03 pm: |
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How long will it be before we hear that this just proves that Harley owns the AMA? If the news came out this morning, it's even odds that someone has already made the statement. |
Whodom
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 04:26 pm: |
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How long will it be before we hear that this just proves that Harley owns the AMA? If the news came out this morning, it's even odds that someone has already made the statement.
Some folks were claiming that even before this statement. They'll get over it. |
Xbrad9r
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 04:37 pm: |
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Buell is locked in !
Now, if we could just keep Toyota out of Nascar...j/k, the more the merrier.
Good luck to all those carrying the Buell flag for the rest of us armchair racers. |
Clydeglide
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 07:42 pm: |
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How long will it be before we hear that this just proves that Harley owns the AMA?
Ok, I'll bite. Think of a sanctiong body as a marketing body. Maybe because that's what they are amongst other things. Their job is to put butts in seats. If any sanctioning body decides to put more butts in seats by allowing something that may skirt a rule where is the harm?
Controversy can be a good thing. The publicity it generates can be a good thing. Whether you agree or disagree can be a good thing. It brings something obscure to the forefront. Does that make it bad?
Think butts in seats and suddenly it all makes sense. If you see a few more Harley's and Buells in the parking lot at Daytona this year, it's working.
What happens downstream when another manufacturer has a "questionable" entry and it's allowed? Does that mean the sanctioning body "sold out"?
Harley's "ownership" is temporary.
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Court
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 08:02 pm: |
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The Buell is legal.
Not only that but let's be frank. . . Daytona was dead. Anyone care to share a picture of the grandstand the last couple years?
Rubbies and cole slaw had pretty much eroded a legend.
I, for one, hope the controversy generated by the Buell, adds 10,000 folks decked out in BUELL RACING shirts!
Daytona was once a World Class Motorcycle Race. . . . leave it to a World Class American Motorcycle to restore it. |
Telewoodski
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 08:18 pm: |
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A crowd shot from last year's 200
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Telewoodski
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 08:23 pm: |
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Not sure, but I think the Supercross brought in more people. |
Paint_shaker
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 08:30 pm: |
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It's really quite simple. The AMA defines, interpets and enforces it's rules. If a competitor has a problem with a rule, he appeals to the AMA. The AMA will then take the action it sees fit.
So if the AMA says "Brand X" is within the rules, then it is within the rules. Lets go racing!!!! |
Jima4media
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 02:49 am: |
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The interesting trivia fact about the Daytona 200 is that Harley-Davidson has won more times than anyone other than Yamaha.
It is a race with a lot of history.
I'm glad to see Buell adding another page to that book, with a Harley motor.
(Message edited by jima4media on February 11, 2006) |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 04:57 am: |
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I'm with you Jim on all but the "Harley" motor characterization. The one I saw pictures of had Pegasus logos cast into the cases. It is inconsiderate and frankly insulting to ignore the role that Buell folks had/have in developing the race engine. Bug kudos to the Harley-Davidson engineers and development folks too! Teamwork! United we win! Divided we fail.
GO BUELL/H-D!!!!  |
Jima4media
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 12:33 pm: |
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Blake,
I guess you didn't read or understand the Road Racing World article on the Harley motor. It was Jamie McNaughton and his team at Harley that developed the motor.
The motors are manufactured on Capital Drive in Milwaukee.
Yes, there are Pegasus logos on the cases. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig. If reality is insulting to you, keep believing the mythology. |
Court
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 01:32 pm: |
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Okay. . . so now we have flying pigs WITH lipstick.
I recall the last racing program HD developed.
Times are good. |
Jima4media
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 04:16 pm: |
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I'm glad someone still has a sense of humor. |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 05:26 pm: |
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Repeat: It is inconsiderate and frankly insulting to ignore the role that Buell folks had/have in developing the race engine. Bug kudos to the Harley-Davidson engineers and development folks! Teamwork! United we win! Divided we fail.
Jim,
Buell was not a bystander in the development of the XBRR engine. It is dishonest to pretend like you know that Buell was not involved, on account of the fact that Buell indeed was involved. Ain't anything humorous about it either. Jamie McNaughton is one extremely sharp and dedicated engineer, and he and his team did a lot of work on the XBRR to ensure its success. Folks at Buell did too. Everyone involved at HDMC and BMC should be extremely proud of their accomplishments on the XBRR engine. From the looks of it, that engine is fixin to be one big badass IL4 slayer. |
Jima4media
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 06:38 pm: |
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You have said this twice now, so I have to ask - What are Bug kudos?
Did I diminish at all, the efforts of Buell engineers when I said the motor was made by Harley?
The amount of actual engineering that took place in East Troy, and the amount that took place in Wauwatosa, we will probably never know.
http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/content/pages/factory_tours/wauwatosa.jsp
With 175 IL4s registered in Formula Xtreme, Buell will have a lot of slaying to do.
(Message edited by jima4media on February 11, 2006) |
Fbolt
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 06:51 pm: |
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Here's to hoping we don't look like asses after Daytona. Come on Buell-lets get respectable-I hope this Buell is the answer. |
Jon
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 07:29 pm: |
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I don't think Buell or anyone who is a Buell enthusiast will look like an ass after Daytone. Win or lose. If Buell didn't go racing, I would still be a fan.
It would be great to see them do well...but if they end up with homework at the end of the day (I doubt it will be that way) so what?
Game on. |
Dbird29
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 10:19 pm: |
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Maybe Jim is the Anony?
Sure professes to know much.
Hmmmmm |
Jima4media
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 11:46 pm: |
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Nice try David, but I've never hidden behind an anonymous moniker on any discussion forums. Any knowledge that I seem have is just a projected desire for what I want.
Jim |
Clydeglide
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 01:03 am: |
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The one I saw pictures of had Pegasus logos cast into the cases.
Things must've changed. When the 99 X1 had engine problems EVERY Buell employee I spoke with said, " Oh, that's not us, that's Capital Dr.". It was like a recurring theme.
I would like to see the XBRR do well this year but will they blame Capital Dr. if an engine fails?
They have priors.
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Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 12:27 pm: |
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Every Buell engine from the Blast on forward have been collaboratively developed ones. So, yep, when an XBRR engine fails, Buell will accept the blame, even though in some posters' eyes it is only an "H-D" engine. Heck, both Buell and Harley-Davidson are divisions of Harley-Davidson, Inc. So we try to work together, and do it pretty well. As always, on every component that has a problem, we will work with the supplier to make sure the problem goes away. Sometimes that's a redesign on our end, sometimes it's process improvements needed at the supplier. |
Blake
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 06:28 pm: |
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Bug kudos...   I kill me.
I meant "big". Bug kudos would be like when the cockroach compliments the housefly on his aerobatic skills?
"Did I diminish at all, the efforts of Buell engineers when I said the motor was made by Harley?"
Yes, you did. Especially when you commenced debating the point.
Clyde,
If the problem with your engine was due to manufacturing/quality issues, then it was an HDMC issue, as they are the manufacturer. Pretty simple. If it was a design/development issue, then all can share the responsibility. Seems to me you are looking for a way to deride Buell. That would be unfortunate. That ain't what THIS discussion forum is about. |
Clydeglide
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 09:03 pm: |
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Seems to me you are looking for a way to deride Buell.
You need to go back and read my complete statement. It's about a 99 X1! Deride Buell? Are o d ing on the Kuell Aid? I hardly think Erik is staying awake at nite worrying about what some faceless name behind a keyboard hammers out about his bikes. If I sacrificed what he has and acheived as much as Erik the absolute last thing that would concern me is internet chit chat.
I am just stating the truth. Would you like their names? It'd probably out the thin skinned annony as I am certain that person was one of them.
I purchased a Buell and I don't give a flying fawk who built the engine. Placing blame before helping is not good customer service. They were not helpful or forthcoming with answers. It seems like they were deriding themselves.
Interpret it as you will. You do anyway.
The next time you go into dictionary.com look up the word "tact". It seeems to have been deleted from your thought process.
Thanks for sharing!
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Jima4media
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:06 pm: |
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Anonymous and Blake,
If you two are embarrassed about using a Harley motor, and if putting a Buell logo on the cases makes it a Buell motor, that is your problem.
I was merely pointing out that Harley had won more Daytona 200 races than any other manufacturer other than Yamaha. If you are uncomfortable with that fact, fine.
I find it interesting and historical, and it seems more sense than using a German, Italian or Japanese motor.
Denying it is a Sportster motor, and that Harley makes it, diminishes your credibility to the point of hilarity.
(Message edited by jima4media on February 12, 2006) |
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