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Spike
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 03:01 pm: | 
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Hattori_hanzo
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 03:03 pm: |
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Try here Blake...
http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99693 |
Josh_
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 03:16 pm: |
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how streetable is a motor that they don't bother showing the dyno chart below 5k ... and even the fans say it's only got 4k band to ride in. |
Spike
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 03:28 pm: |
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I don't mean to just beat up on their new engineering marvel, but this thing doesn't even reach the peak power of an XB9 until over 10k rpm. The peak power of the XB12 isn't reached until 11.5k rpm.
I honestly can't think of a worse motor for a street bike. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 04:39 pm: |
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What a story, even when the new r6's tach reads 18k it is actually 16.2k
They stole a lot of headlines with that bit of fiction. |
Raraf
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 05:35 pm: |
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Hey! Yamaha did put the muffler under the engine! I wonder where Yamaha should place the Buell sponsor sticker... |
Sarodude
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 06:46 pm: |
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Uh, this thing about revs is getting a little outta hand. I mean, ya gotta admit, LOTS of folks are trying to get their twins to rev HIGHER.
We have a few people around here who like Blasts despite their perceived lack of power. Those bikes are no slower than a Blast (probably faster) rev for rev. But then the revs climb......
So if a Blast has enough power to get around between 3 & 6k, why can't a UJM 600?
Can't we lay off these comparisons? It's no better from this side than that.
-Saro |
Spike
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 08:55 pm: |
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quote:We have a few people around here who like Blasts despite their perceived lack of power. Those bikes are no slower than a Blast (probably faster) rev for rev. But then the revs climb......
So if a Blast has enough power to get around between 3 & 6k, why can't a UJM 600?
Because the Blast is purchased for totally different reasons from the 600. The Blast is supposed to be the beginner bike with the friendly power delivery. The 600 is supposed to be the go fast bike. The problem is that to get to the go fast part of your 600, you have to wade through the beginner bike low end, through the EX500 midrange, and finally cresting 10k rpm before you ever get to the go fast part. That's fine on the track when you can keep the revs up, but pitiful for a street ride. |
Whodom
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 09:53 pm: |
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Motorcycle Daily (http://www.motorcycledaily.com/) has STILL not mentioned the XBRR, and they supposedly post manufacturer's press releases every day. Perhaps an e-mail campaign is in order?
editor@motorcycledaily.com |
Jlnance
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 10:06 pm: |
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Perhaps an e-mail campaign is in order?
Oh hell no. Surely they know about it, they just decided to ignore it. Let them. Then, if it wins at Daytona, who looks stupid? |
Jlnance
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 10:10 pm: |
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BTW, the "Oh hell no" is only intended to express my emotions about being ignored. It's certainly not directed at you whodom. |
Whodom
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 11:14 pm: |
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Jlnance, clarification not required, but appreciated. On second thought, I concur with your assessment. |
Whodom
| | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 08:21 am: |
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I've read this 3 times, and I'm still not sure if it's serious or satire:
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2006/Jan/060127a.htm
At any rate, you'd think Buells have been dominating FX since it was created from the tone of this article. |
Buellshyter
| | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 09:40 am: |
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That was hardly satire. Ole Ohlin was practically foaming at the mouth. His disdain, for all things Buell, could not have been more obvious. That being said, it does appear Buell bent the rules and I'm sure others will follow suit. I think Buell put the cart before the horse. |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 03:00 pm: |
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Which rules do you imagine Buell has "bent"? For your consideration:
modify:
1. To change in form or character; alter.
unlimited:
1. Having no restrictions or controls.
2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon.
unlimited modification: An infinite change in form or character without boundary, control or restriction.
Air cooled twin cylinder motorcycles are permitted "unlimited engine modifications." |
Chellem
| | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 05:40 pm: |
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Man, whoever wrote that article is pretty full of himself. He's obviously pretty sure he's right. All these condesending %*$!!@s are all pretty sure they're right about Buell. I hope someone on a Buell rubs a win right in their arrogant smug little faces. |
Oldog
| | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 08:10 pm: |
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My take on the "satire"
yeah he was talking chese.
they need lots of it to go with all of that WHINE !
my question again AMA or JMA?
unlimited mods to level the playing field, sounds good , cool, good sportsman ship and all of that.
Bust Erik with a K (yes thats right cheese boy, with a K), AGAIN ( reverse xbrr legal status ) don't come to me looking for a member ship dues for the JMA
Those "different" scooters have bigger differences than what color plastic do you want it wrapped in
that in and of its self makes it fun |
Buellerx
| | Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 11:26 pm: |
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The Hate just keeps on coming
http://insider.speedtv.com/viewtopic.php?t=110364&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start =60 |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 08:06 pm: |
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Personally I'm not at all interested in links to other discussion boards where ignorant close-minded fools are bashing Buell motorcycles. What is the point, that ignorant close-minded fools exist. Okay, point made. 
Now, how about something positive? |
Jon
| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 09:43 pm: |
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You want positive? I just ate a corn chip. Maaaan, was it tasty! |
Buellerx
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 - 10:11 pm: |
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I guess it is amazing to me how much energy people will put in to discrediting anything Buell does. I really dont understand this deep hatred of all thing Buell. Where does this come from? Is its Buells affiliation with HD?
I personally dont hate any particular brand or model. Some I like more than others and my buells have been my favorites by far. But I really like all motorcycles in general. If they hate Buell so much, why do they spend soo much time talking about them? |
Coyote_xb12s
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 - 11:09 pm: |
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You guys, you need to let it go. I have been reading Superbikeplanet.com since it's early years as AMAsuperbike.com. Dean Adams was the editor at American Roadracing when it was based in Cave Creek, AZ. and is probably one of the most straight shooter journalist there is.
He is also a big smart a**!! Anytime that you see the name "ohlin metzeler" under the title, it is meant as a joke. Here's another article by Ohlin- note the preceding Satire by: in the title:http://superbikeplanet.com/2004/Aug/040917b.htm
Lighten up. Let the bikes speak for themselves once they hit the track. Just 2 years ago Honda got grief for being the only factory team in FX. Yamaha is also getting grief for not being in Superbike...whatever! Live and let live- just get on your Buell and ride boy!! |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 12:15 am: |
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"Dean Adams ... is probably one of the most straight shooter journalist there is."
Then why did he neglect to include the Formula Xtreme rule that allows "unlmited engine modifications" for air-cooled twins in his article? Straight shooter? Not even close. |
Cataract2
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 07:40 am: |
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Buellerx, you hit the nail on the head.
Is its Buells affiliation with HD?
This is the largest reason I see why people don't like Buell. I don't understand why there is such a hate for Harley's even. I happen to like them myself. Maybe one day I might own a Street Rod.
Maybe... |
José_quiñones
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 08:02 am: |
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quote:Then why did he neglect to include the Formula Xtreme rule that allows "unlmited engine modifications" for air-cooled twins in his article? Straight shooter? Not even close.
He did
quote:AMA Pro Racing sources said this week that based on the fact that the rules for an air-cooled Twin in Formula Extreme are so wide, and allow for so many modifications, that it is their belief that the XBRR is legal for the Formula Extreme class.
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Trojan
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 08:52 am: |
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The only legality issue that I can imagine (and I am certainly not an expert on the AMA rulebook!) is that the engine crankcases are completely different to those of the street XB, so cannot be deemed to be based on a street bike engine. This would definitely be the case in Thunderbike I would think:
6.5 THUNDERBIKE - Thunderbike machines, except single cylinder machines, are based
upon production models, sold by manufacturers and their dealers in North America for
street use.
Frame, cylinder head(s) and engine cases must be from the same production model
motorcycle
It will be interesting to see how the 'power down' kits will address that point. Maybe the power down kit is a stock/tuned XB12 engine?
Of course if Buell have shown the AMA a few early examples of the 2007 model year fitted with the XBRR cases this would be a completely different story .
I certainly hope that Buell can and will win at Daytona and throughout the FX season with the XBRR. I think though that if they do well at Daytona then there will be floods of whinging and complaining from the Honda camp. Look at how petty HRC got in Moto GP just to try and stop Rossi winning. |
Rubberdown
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 09:01 am: |
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Trojan, I was coming in last night from 30 mile bicycle ride and contemplating the RR and I had the same thought about the cases. I'm sure the competition will jump on that. I guessing that Buell has given the sanctioning body some indication that these improved pieces will be on a bike offered to the general public. |
Brucelee
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 10:11 am: |
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I am waiting for a 135HP street XB. When do you guys think we will see it? |
Trojan
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 11:07 am: |
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July
Who is running the book?
(Message edited by trojan on February 01, 2006) |
Ceejay
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 11:24 am: |
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Blake said-
Which rules do you imagine Buell has "bent"? For your consideration:
modify:
1. To change in form or character; alter.
unlimited:
1. Having no restrictions or controls.
2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon.
unlimited modification: An infinite change in form or character without boundary, control or restriction.
Air cooled twin cylinder motorcycles are permitted "unlimited engine modifications."
If that don't tell you how long Erik Buell has been thinking about this, and whether it will pass inspection and then I don't know what does. Now maybe some folks will quite whining about why he put "that motor" in there... |
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