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Author Message   Thesmaz Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 05:06 pm:        I was checking out the latest headlines on www.superbikeplanet.com and there are a couple of interesting articles on there concerning the new XBRR and the legalities of it racing in Formula Extreme. I'll be curious to see how this works out with the AMA and the other racing teams. Here's the links http://superbikeplanet.com/2006/Jan/060123c0a.htm They also have a poll running http://superbikeplanet.com/getVote.jsp?pn=buell0123   Nasty73z Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 05:15 pm:        Come on everyone!! Vote so we can take over.   Whodom Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 05:48 pm:        Didn't somebody famous once say "There's no such thing as bad publicity"? All this hoopla has got to be good for Buell, and things are only gonna get better as Daytona approaches.   Court Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 06:11 pm:        >>> "There's no such thing as bad publicity" Ahhhh...flashbacks to the day I was sitting in my office at Buell and they guy called to tell me he was going to dangle an S-1, draped in lemons, from a helicopter over a public event in the San Francisco area. I told him . . . "WAIT" He responded...."scared now, eh?" To which I responded, "no, I just want to get all the stock I can in the hands of area dealers". I wish he'd done it.   Gschuette Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 06:20 pm:        I think these sportbike tradionalists are just scared that their cookie cutter 600s might get beat by a bike like an XB. Fear and jealously is all that article consisted of.   Darkducati Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 07:26 pm:        These people are just whining. The XBRR is CLEARLY based on the XB, HELLO! Is it radically modified? Yes. But so are all of the other bikes in the class. The only difference is that the other manufacturers haven't made their bikes available to the public in full race trim. These guys are just mad someone else is coming to the party, and they may take a big slice of the cake. The bottom line is that the XBRR IS based on a US legal motorcycle, period. The biggest argument I have heard is regarding the displacement allowed to Buell. In my opinion they are in reality about the same since the four cylinders can turn more than double the RPM at redline. So in theory the airflow capacities(based on displacement) are pretty much the same.   Shazam Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 07:31 pm:        I would like to see more links to outside discussions and opinions on this....anyone else offer up some chatter? http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/showthread.php?t=302195 please?   Kootenay Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 08:26 pm:        Here's one (there are a number of threads on the XBRR on the MCUSA forums): http://forum.motorcycle-usa.com/default.aspx?f=54&m=238740   Rubberdown Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 08:30 pm:        This is just too cool! GOBUELLGOBUELLGOBUELLGOBUELLGOBUELLGOBUELLGOBUELL!!!   Stou Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 08:42 pm:        It's so funny to read all those comment on other board!!! Some guys don't have any idea of what a Buell is and/or are to idiot to see that there's something else than a fast 4cyl jap bike. I own a Buell and a Yamaha FZ1 and love both bikes. Different technologies, different style and different performance! They are jealous!!!   Buelldyno_guy Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 08:42 pm:        Everything on the bike except the heads and barrels were available this season to any Buell Race Team. ... Even ultra short stroke cranks at 3.125 were available. The side cases and some other nice pieces are just that nice pieces you will be able to buy from Henry Duga at Buell racing. The largest bore you could use on the stock cases was 3.875 and was available over the counter. We run a S&S 3.625 stroke crank in ours the frame is the same and the front end and rear shock were available. So the only issue is an engine case for 4.080 piston and some very light , but functional side cases and accessories. ... Terry   Dana P. Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 09:38 pm:        They can complain all they want. Fact is the bike is built and don't think for a second that Buell and the AMA haven't spoke before the bike was built. The bike is going in FX and Honda and the other Japanese teams can't change that now. Erik and company didn't build this horse to leave it sitting at the gate... its gonna run...and run it will. (Message edited by bads1 on January 25, 2006)   Thansesxb9rs Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 12:29 am:        http://news.motorcycle.com/article.motml?sid=3582   Thansesxb9rs Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 12:31 am:        http://forums.cycleworld.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/44260741/m/5330090821   Sgthigg Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 12:33 am:        I got a question. The poll up top says select "no" because. "No, Formula Extreme rules state that the class requires "motorcycles produced for US street use" which this machine clearly was not." How DOES buell get around this one? You know whats gonna happen right? Every win Buell gets this will be the opponents excuse as to why. Maybe I must be just to much of a noob and am missing something. Can someone help me understand this. So I can tell people how to properly and profeciently "go pack sand" when they try to pull this punk card. Thanks   Diablobrian Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 12:43 am:        I think buell will issue a sort of recant/clarification that "this variant of the XB line is not legal for street use" kind of thing to quiet the nay-sayers.   Josh_ Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 12:45 am:        From "Luckyme" on the CycleWorld forum: ... measuring an engines size by swept volume has always been a poor way to compare engines that are very different. We all know engines are air pumps, air pumps are usually called compressors, compressors are not measured by swept volume but by air flow, CFM. A 600cc engine running at 17,000 RPM's can theoretically (100% efficiency) move about 180 CFM. A 1339cc running at 8,500 RPM's can theoretically (100% efficiency) move about 200 CFM. Obviously none of these engines run at 100% and since the 600 is a 4 valve engine and the 1339 is a 2 valve motor, I would bet they move about the same air at redline. That is what they are shooting for with the rules, a level playing field.   Sgthigg Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 01:40 am:        Never mind I got it. Thanks! GO BUELL GO!!   Blake Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 03:08 am:        Sgt, Here's what ya say... "The FX rules allow unlimited modifications to the air-cooled two valve twins." Poof! "So your objection is thus denied. Go race ya whiny IL4 wheenies!" It cracks me up that on one hand the naysayers deride Buell for having what they characterize as an archaic engine, but on the other whine about the displacement limit.   Whodom Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 10:25 am:        UK site "Raptors and Rockets" has an XBRR article today: http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/news.html Motorcycle Online has covered it: http://news.motorcycle.com/ Oddly, NOTHING yet at Motorcycle Daily: http://www.motorcycledaily.com/ I e-mailed and asked if anyone is paying attention there; maybe it'll show up on today's edition.   Kootenay Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 02:05 pm:        Not all voices on the other boards are negative. From the forum discussion I linked to above: Inferior in what way? Displacement restrictions are a good arbitrary way to level competition among similar bikes but output by displacement is just one way to measure the efficiency of an engine. How about output by swept area? By that measurement you'll find that the 17,500 rpm 600 cc Yamaha has a pretty similar yield to an 8,000 rpm 1340 cc Buell. Or thermodynamic efficiency, output by fuel burned? Now the inline 4s don't look so good.. when it comes to thermodynamic efficiency the aircooled v twin is totally superior to the watercooled inline 4. If each bike were given, for example, no more than 6 gallons of 93 octane to run the Daytona 200 I think you'd see an all-Buell podium. I'm not knocking inline 4s, I think the Yamaha R6 is an amazing bike... it's just that from an engineering viewpoint your focus on displacement to the exclusion of all else makes no sense unless your primary goal is to see everyone on identical bikes.   Raraf Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 12:37 pm:        Over half the pollers think the Buell won't win anyways. They aren't scared of it. I too seriously doubt that the Buell can beat the new Yamaha 600. That thing is making 130HP and revs to 17,500RPM STOCK!!! But it would be fun watching the Buell thunder around the track!   Skyguy Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 12:58 pm:        I love my Buell but I can not get in front of an equally skilled rider on a R-1. The R-6 would surely stomp me in the twistys as well. I did not buy the bolt because it was the fastest thing out there I bought it because it brings a smile to my face. The bolt handles the real tight stuff well but it is not nearly as stable or as fast on the 90+mph sweepers as the state of the art Jap bikes.   Jlnance Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 01:00 pm:        Over half the pollers think the Buell won't win anyways. Wow, that means a significant number think they will. I too seriously doubt that the Buell can beat the new Yamaha 600. It will be interesting to see. I have no idea whether it can or not. But I suspect if Buell didn't think it would, they wouldn't have announced the bike.   New12r Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 01:15 pm:        I have rode with guys who are equally skilled on I 4's and most of them cannot keep up in the twisty's. I went to jennings gp the first of the year and one of my pals was on a gixxer 750, he is a good rider at about my level and I pretty much wasted him around corners, I could pass on the outside with a Mostly Stock XB12R and holding him off in the straights was not that hard.   Jiffy Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 01:23 pm:        Actually Yamaha had to re-do their website and change the specs on the new R6. It does not redline at what they claimed. Many upset new owners. discussed in this other forum http://www.cycleforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=208367   Buellrcr Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 01:47 pm:        a lot is got to do with the rider. look at rossi on the honda it was the faster than the other bikes . he is on a yamaha and still kicking butt. the buell can win. if the rider and bike are a good combo   Reepicheep Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 02:26 pm:        quote: That thing is making 130HP and revs to 17,500RPM STOCK!!! I would state that as: quote: They had to make that thing rev to 17,500 RPM to make 130HP!!! The first is kind of like saying "my new computer has 105 decibels worth of cooling fan noise... it must be REALLY powerful!". It's probably a true statement, but hardly a point of praise.   Blake Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 02:46 pm:        Anyone have a dyno chart for the '06 R6?   Spike Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 02:57 pm:        quote: Anyone have a dyno chart for the '06 R6? I have the small version, it looks like this: / You have to squint a bit, but you can see it's really strong up top.