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Xb9
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 07:04 pm: | 
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The rotor/stator is mounted outboard of the drive sprocket? Probably a stationary stator mounted to the cover with an internal rotating rotor - like on a 600RR and other Jap bikes |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 07:04 pm: |
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Thats a wire going to the throttle body butterflies, isnt it? Think this thing might be fly by wire? |
2kx1
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 07:17 pm: |
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OK Ithink it is gonna kick butt at Daytona,but what where when and who would know what can go on an XB.what about 2007 bikes . Is there anything new on the 2007 XB's. That is what I'm trying tofind out. |
Trenchtractor
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 07:23 pm: |
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Thats a wire going to the throttle body butterflies, isnt it? Think this thing might be fly by wire?
TPS. |
Kenneth
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 07:25 pm: |
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That's the TPS Wiring |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 07:30 pm: |
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it's probably ignition timing. |
Adrenaline_junkie
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 07:31 pm: |
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There is a picture of two throttle bodies setting on a bench in that last set of photos that clearly shows cable actuators on the butterflys. I suspect the wires going to the butterfly shaft are for the TPS.  |
Mr_cuell
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 07:43 pm: |
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I love the progress, and I am excited to see it compete, but my beef is the price - I wish it didn't take our chosen brand of bike 30k to come up with less performance than a 10k available on every street corner Japanese bike. Maybe they are just passing on re-tooling and this is more of a marketing/publicity boost using a temporary tactic than a vision of the future. No matter what I hope this will trickle to the street in a more competitive package in terms of price-to-performace.
I didn't buy the bike to have a race replica and I am happy with what I have, but when the race replicas are outperforming our actual race bikes, thats a drag.
I am still rooting for a liquid cooled V4 in 2 sizes, a small displacement fun bike and a big bore cannon. Its just hard to drool and hoot and holler when other manufacturers are putting up better numbers for 1/3 of the dough, and have been for a few years.
I love it for what it is, I guess I just want to see them crush the competition on the track and on the street, for similar prices, and shut down so many wankers that have been hatin' for so long.
Please don't flame my ass - I love my Buell I love my Buell I love my Buell. |
Mr_cuell
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 07:59 pm: |
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Just over on the MO site, and it got me thinking. If this is a turn key bike capable of competing with Duhamels Honda, then it probably is not a bad deal financially, as they are saying over there that those factory bikes would run 40k and more.
Oh well - I love the progress, and want to hear that sucker WFO with a proper pipe. I was never a fan of the VR1000 effort, but this seams a little sharper. Of course of course the pushrods are there, but I spose if they weren't it wouldn't have that vibe we love - |
Kenneth
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 08:15 pm: |
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I notice that there is no starter on the bike, not that it is uncommon for a racebike, But they redesigned engine cases and left the starter boss on there...makes you wonder |
Xb9
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 08:28 pm: |
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Diablobrian, maybe it's both |
Adrenaline_junkie
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 08:35 pm: |
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Mr_cuell - not trying to flame you - But that sound you want to hear WFO and that vibration you love can only be obtained with a 45 degree V-twin turning a single throw crankshaft at relatively low RPM's. A liquid cooled V-4 with multiple valves and overhead cams would sound like everyone else, it would be a scream instead of a roar. The Harley based V-twin is the soul of the Buell and it is old school USA all the way. Erik has hot rodded the heck out of it, but its still a simple V-twin at the end of the day and that is what makes it so cool to me. Again, not trying to flame you, just voicing my different opinion. |
Xb9
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 08:50 pm: |
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Think about it - more than likely this powerplant will be the platform of the next gen xb's that you and I can buy....2007? |
Buelldyno_guy
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 08:51 pm: |
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Less performance than a 10k available on every street corner Japanese bike.
You couldn't build it for $ 30K and there are no $10 race bikes that I know of. ... We have almost that kind of money in our AFM F4 bike. .... Terry |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 08:56 pm: |
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I see the cable bits now... great shots!
And before judging "just" 150 horses at the crank, I would want to see the area under the curve versus RPM.
That engine looks to have "plans to eventually be street legal" written *all* over it. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 09:02 pm: |
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Could Buell be on the road to crating a Race Replica...stay tuned! |
Rubberdown
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 09:41 pm: |
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Wow, what a day and this is just the beginning! I'm exhausted and my eyes are like •••• holes in the snow from staring at the 'puter. |
Xbolt12
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 10:00 pm: |
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If you think about it they will almost have to produce the 500 street versions needed for most production classes of racing....
I see something along the lines of the way Ducati does it with the R versions: 500 per year worldwide. That means about 50 in the states for each type of R version on the Duc. Then of course the newer stuff will trickle down to the more affordable models as well.
Go Buell!
xbolt12 |
Davegess
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 10:07 pm: |
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Just over on the MO site, and it got me thinking. If this is a turn key bike capable of competing with Duhamels Honda, then it probably is not a bad deal financially, as they are saying over there that those factory bikes would run 40k and more.
I'd say DuHamel's FX Honda cost $60,000, this is a real good deal |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 10:25 pm: |
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If as someone posted earlier all xbrr parts will be available from the dealer it'll be easy to "roll your own".
Pick which bits you want to use and run with it.
A lot of these parts have the look of production parts not one-off specials.
This is almost certainly a preview of the next generation motor.
I don't see Ohlins suspension becoming standard, especially since the Showas are very good to begin with.
The C-F fairing wouldn't make it either, fiberglass could though.
The magnesium wheels will probably also stay race only. too expensive for common production.
The 8 piston caliper looks ready for production though. Semi-surprised it isn't radial mount as is the current fashion.
Ram air won't make it either in its current form. it would obstruct the view of the gages. (what we need is a fighter plane style heads up display that projects on the inside of our helmet visors)
I haven't seen a good left side pic, but someone said the scoop was gone. While this is ok on a race bike, probably not as good on a street bike that may have to idle in traffic.
The exhaust won't pass EPA noise, but with a race only label like the current race pipe we'll see it soon. unfortunately it looks like it won't clear current cam/timing covers.
Those heads and the throttle bodies look good, but probably aren't very street worthy. One of them might be a nice addition on the street though. (with a matching manifold of course)
All in all it's a tight well thought out package with some serious market potential.
The late release also guarantees it'll get the press coverage it deserves.
Way to Go Erik! Way to Go Elves! |
Medic_2512
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 10:27 pm: |
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That exhaust pipe looks sick! I want one. And that god they finally gor ride of the drive belt! |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 10:33 pm: |
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I wouldn't bet on the belt drive going away on street models in the near future. There are clear and compelling reasons to keep it for the street.
Even though I'm happy with my chain drive. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 10:36 pm: |
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xbolt12 isn't the 500 unit homolgation for world superbike? AMA only requires 50. |
Xbolt12
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 11:35 pm: |
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Ah, you are probably right there. Of course that would probably mean 50 in the USA in any event. |
Xbolt12
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 12:44 am: |
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From the 2006 AMA rulebook:
"Formula Xtreme competition is restricted to motorcycles (engines and frames) produced for US street use and available in the US through retail dealers."
Does this mean a street version coming very soon or can they say it's based on the Firebolt??
BTW the Superstock rule is 400 bikes and Superbike is 300 depending on how many dealers are in the US. Moot point though as the target would be other racing organizations... |
Odinbueller
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 02:40 am: |
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I have, on good authority that this engine, though perceived as underpowered by some, has a plateau of torque that will make the factory teams stand up and take notice.
Let's not let numbers dictate our opinion of this machine, especially since only a handful of seasoned professionals have ridden it. |
Court
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 05:03 am: |
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For those of you just recovering from the Wal-Mart thread, please take notice of one thing that hasn't been discussed.
The is the MOST AMERICAN motorcycle made. I'm guessing more BUELL parts than anything to date.
Note: This opinion is based on pure speculation and no sponsors were maligned. The term "AMERICAN" is used to refer to simply a geophysical location and should not be construed as disparaging of any sponsor, member or life from from an alien system |
Blake
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 05:29 am: |
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"but when the race replicas are outperforming our actual race bikes, thats a drag."
Please identify any 2006 Formula Xtreme class repli-racer that outperforms the Buell XBRR.  |
Court
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 05:44 am: |
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\blue>>>>"but when the race replicas are outperforming our actual race bikes, thats a drag." }
What a preposterously absurd statement.
The XBRR is a gifted piece of engineering. It's well tested, well thought out and is one of the few race motorcycles ever developed by a person who has done as much racing as Erik Buell.
Street replica bikes and real race machines are akin to golf balls and eggs. . . they may appear similar to the unknowing when in fact they are light years apart.
Welcome to the light.
The Buell is not intended for street use, don't fool yourself. Parts of it will, in fact are, working their way toward "for sale to John Q" bikes, we'll all win as a result of this.
But comparing this bike to something Yamaha has sitting in a showroom to lure in kids that are still rereading the wet dream chapter in the Boy Scout manual is simply unfair.
I have a solution.
I am loading my ass (and the substantially smaller one of the SCU) on an aeroplane and going to Daytona. I think Erik Buell has put his money where your mouth is.
Please. . . . come join me.
In fact, there is talk of an impromptu session wherein Dave Gess and I will share some "remember to tell you" stories.
Court |
Crusty
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 05:54 am: |
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Hey, Court; will you tell me about Parkway Blue? |
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