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Peter
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 07:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rippin,
Congratulations from Amsterdam!
We've got another one due too in about 9 weeks.......
PPiA
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 07:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does ATC still exist? Tried to hit the website and nada......

I see SacBorg is selling baby bibs......take note Ryan :)

Quiet in the world of motorcycling.....huh?
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Cjmblast
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 08:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rippon, that's a beautiful Baby !! Congratulations !!! And to all the others with new babies, or babies on the way !

CJM
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Ccryder
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 08:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court:
They went "org" ATC

Neil S.
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 08:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ATC should have left a leader behind, or a least a few bread crumbs, pointing to the "new" address. Are they still requiring registration to read only?

MikeJ (With 29 too many passwords as it is.)
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Ferris
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 09:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sara Reilly Gaskill

i'm betting in future years that Sara's earlist memory will be that of a pretty blue Pegasus logo...

congrats Mom and Dad! (and Sara!) :)

Court, i gave Kyle/Blackie some kudos the other day to try and keep him in the game and keep him "pointed the right direction".

i THINK his heart's in the right place, but i'm still perplexed why someone who admitted he lurked on here for well over a year decided to utter his first words in such a negative way on such a positive thread.

decent of you to apologize, maybe he'll catch wind of this and stick his head back up outta the hole...

FB
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Josh
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 09:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Chrome heel guards.
I don't see what the big deal is. Any bike show I go to that allows imports has the fully chromed GXFZYRs with every little bit polished. I show up at a track day and most of the imports have some added chrome piece. Then I see HD selling Buells in the same dealerships as HDs, perhaps trying to get the Sporty-er (get it ;) ) guys on one. Guys who's current bike has lots of chrome on it.

I see lots of people bashing the chrome heel guards and no one laughing when they see guys with the full "Carbon fiber sticker kit" installed. Talk about nothing for something! At least the chrome heel guard shouldn't add weight.
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Grndskpr
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Josh, i dont thinkit was the heal guards that are the true issue, when I went to the factory, it was the LACK, of other parts, that was the issue, in other words, at the time i was at the open house, it seamed that one of the first parts that you could get was these heal guards, but a race kit was still, several months off, this leads to courts point about how different the Buell rider is compared to a harley rider, and the comparison to GSXZX7's is really unimportant, i think we should stick to helping buell improve its P&A line as well as its bikes instead of looking at other bikes to gain some kind of respect, as i was told buy people in Buell, they do things different, so a comparison, well, it really means nothing, i am not bashing your post but if Buell looks toward other bikes for respect, it will get lost in the numbers, they look in a different direction as i am sure most are aware, i learned alot in wisconsin, maybe thats why i post less
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good.....glad to see the point was COMPLETELY missed......you see, I am less concerned about the COLOR or FINISH of the heel guards than I am the PROCESS.

Think of it as a Pavlonian Classical Conditioning case. Let me leap back 30 years to Business School.

.....they make something we like.....we "reward" them by buying....poof...they make more.

.....they make something we don't like, we "penalize" them by not buying....poof they make less.

Management: Someone "owns" the process and is ACCOUNTABLE (I admit a much forgotten word....) for the ultimate "reward" or "penalty".

Think of it as Adam Smith meets the Rationing Function of Economics.

Now...back to work before I have to whoop someone's ass with a copy of "The Wealth of Nations".

Think of it this way....my PERSONAL concerns are for Buell PROCESSES, not the color of the accessories. Anyone here, familiar with my taste in clothing, can back me up on that one.

:)
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is a company that I forget the name of where the concept designers have to commit to buying the first production run of whatever it is that they want the company to build. If it sells then the designer got a bonus, if it didn't then the designer went broke. This might work for the H-D accessory designers, but I think the Union would step in and all it would lead to is no accessories for Buells since they don't seem to take the time to speak to us (as far as I know) and to learn what we want or don't want.

The customer may not always be right, but the customer does have a say in what they won't buy. Well, for the most part anyway.
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Buelliedan
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And lets be honest here:

If Buell P&A doesn't make something we want, Tat will!! :)
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X1glider
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Geez! I hope nobody quits makng tongue-in-cheek jabs at the chrome heel guards just because Court is pissed. I just don't see the harm in poking a little fun at the clueless P&A department. :] Roger made the proper point in that it wasn't the fact that they chromed the heel guards thinking we were Cruiser wannabees, it was the lack of functional accessories we're dying for. If the P&A department really wants to know, they need to log on and tune in to BWB. Otherwise they'll be left in the dark. As for HCHD, if my X1 gets stolen, they'll be buying me a plane ticket.
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Grndskpr
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good.....glad to see the point was COMPLETELY missed......you see, I am less concerned about the COLOR or FINISH of the heel guards than I am the PROCESS.

Is there one???for Buell that is??? i realize Mr. Buell cannot police every desition to grow, but shouldnt there be somebody there, that has a better idea what the buell community would want or like to see, someone better that long term Harley person, someone who has Buell ties, someone who has a desire to be different, yet isnt afraid to say there are other bikes out there, and sometime they also have great ideas, or if we are going to be different, maybe make P&A different, or maybe someone to just ask questions??Or is this now out of the realm of the Buell company, more harley than buell and this part of the company falls under harley guildlines????
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Road_Thing
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court--I'm not much into receiving ass-whuppings -- how 'bout an "invisible hand" job?

r-t
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Too funny......tough to get me "pissed". It's happened twice, that I recall, in my life. Both resulted in memorable experiences.

The "designer buys the first lot" is kind of a neat idea but, at least at the Buell level size, I'd want to encourage bold, innovative thinking and not foster an enviroment where "fear of failure" began to drive thinking. Don't misinterpret this as "total disregard for consequences" but I've always, in my own company, had a deal with my folks....in my absence, I will completely and vigorously support ANY decision they make.

It's the price of being absent and I find that as soon as they are granted "ownership" they make damn good decisions when they are drawn by the "good" rather than away from the "ass chewing".

EXAMPLE: I took off on the road for a couple weeks on an FLH once. I left Joe W. in charge of a major project on Preston Road in Dallas. When I came back, he told me "while you were gone I had to buy 2 3/4 pick-ups for a couple guys I hired".

Take a guess as to who was the MOST committed to irrevocably PROVING to me that it was a good decision? We made tons of money off Melvin and Bill AND the pick-ups he bought.....

I've always found that letting the person who has the MOST to loose by making a bad decision, MAKE the decision and simultaneously dispensing authority and responsbility in roughly equal proportions works fairly well..at least in my world.

Just a thought...
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Buelliedan
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court,
Your business model is definately NOT the US Army model. BTW, I'm retiring in 3 years, need any help? ;)
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dan:

I had the pleasure of serving, as a Lance Corporal, the United States Marine Corps in a MOST UNUSAL capacity where my direct superior was Commanding General Joseph C. Fegan.

MOST UNUSAL.....

And, for Bob's benefit, the scene of one of the two times (actually San Onefre weapons range which complicated things) I've gotten "pissed".

I also had the MOST UNUSAL opportunity to travel with Presidents Reagan and Bush in a MOST UNSUAL support role.

My Father and Grandfater were also fairly "competent" leaders who understood the correlation between delegating authority and responsibility.

If the dog has no teeth, what do I care if it's mad?

I've been, by my own admission, LUCKY.

:)
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>>how 'bout an "invisible hand" job?

That's funny!

And who said that classicaly trained Economists have no sense of humor?
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Henrik
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 02:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sara - welcome to the world. It's a pretty good place to be, so enjoy ;)

Heel guards ...
About a year ago, when the Buell accessory catalog came out, a bunch of us wrote in with suggestions to parts/products that would have served the only American Sportbike better than Buell pens and mugs ... and axle bolt covers etc. etc. Don't know if anyone ever read/reflected on those mail, but...

All it would take to come up with more appropriate parts would be a quick look at what track riders (not necessarily racers) do to improve their ride: less weight (the CF bodywork Buell once made was NOT the ticket), more mass centralization, less unsprung weight, upgraded suspension components, variety of riding positions (preferrably easily installed) etc.

I guess that's what got me going on the whole parts pharce :)

Henrik
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Eeeeek
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 03:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court:

A buddy of mine just picked up an RR1000. Do you have any goodies lying around that may be of interest to him?

Vik
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Arbalest
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 03:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court, if you laid all the Economists in the world, end to end, they............still couldn't reach a conclusion.
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Ebear
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 03:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Great Looking baby Rippen! By the time that little one can ride a Buell imagine what Buells will be like!..................
MAN!!! Did you SoCal Buellers miss a GREAT RIDE Sunday!The (First Annual)Chase down DR.STEVE with a Posse Ride went off screaming!!We had TAT on his Beautifull new tricked out black XB9S , Don S.and four of his friends on a mix of bikes and of course the Venerable Dr.Steve.My first chance at riding with the good doctor and boy what a Unique style of riding he has!I got the jump on him going up the incredible twisties of the mountain but in a flash he was ridin' the XB9S's tail.Made me have to turn it up so much I was draggi'n both knee pucks and scraped some of the curb feeler on the starboard peg!no pussy strip left now!WHAT A HOOT!!Got mobbed at the top with people checki'n out the S and of course even the UJM riders were over sneaking a peek at TAT's bike when we weren't looking.All this and I hadnt even a chance to set up the suspension other than to crank up the rear shock.Off to Julian and this time trying to catch up to the DR. when we got stuck in traffic(those darn GXSR's werent moving over)and now I dragged the Port peg!THIS BIKE ROCKS!!!After lunch , not getting enough the guys voted to turn around and go back and blast Palomar again!!TOO MUCH FUN!....
I want to take this space to Personally THANK Erik Buell for the most fun Ive ever had on Palomar!!!!and of course all the Elves that helped along the way!(Sorry Blake if this is in the wrong place but I couldnt help myself!)
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Dynarider
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 04:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was told by an employee of Buell that their number 1 selling part for the tube frame bikes were the axle covers. Maybe that had something to do with Buell or Harley deciding that chrome will get you home?
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 04:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The reason that the axle covers were the #1 selling part was because that was probably the only accessory most Buell dealers stocked. ;)
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Nrhs
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 04:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey all!

Just wanted to drop a note and let everyone know that anyone is welcome in the Nallin Racing Speed Talk! Chatroom on the website tonight at 900P Mountain Time. www.nallinracing.com

Thanks,

Brian Nallin
Aaron Wilson

Nallin Racing
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 04:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And thinking about it, I've seen more c/f air filters on Buells than I've seen axle covers. I'm thinking the employee might be wrong, but I'd have to see the sales numbers first.
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Peter
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Brian/Aaron,
So I have to be at the computer at 5.00am here to say "Gidday" to all'y'all......?
Fuggedit.
How's it going with the new shop?
PPiA

I just clicked on your banner here to browse your website, and got directed to the Buell promo. You might want to have a word with Blake.....
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

AMA Pro Racing Responds To Erik Buell's Comments
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Sidv
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 05:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Congratulations on the new additions to the Badweb families.

When I bought my 99 X1 in Oct 98 I received a phone call from Buell customer service a few months later asking for my impression and improvements/accessories I'd like to see. Preaching to the choir, but improvements in reliability and the dealer being prepared BEFORE the bike was delivered ( a X1 service manual shipped with the first unit would have been a big help) were the main type of issues I presented, but I did suggest accessories such as spring loaded footpegs and a battery cover (things that should have been on the bike in the first place). Not that everyone should thank me for the footpegs being on the newer bikes (because I'm sure I wasn't the only one they called) but I would hope that Buell was continuing to seek input from us, the riders. Also, looking at UJM for ideas for accessories doesn't change the fact Buells are different. Spring footpegs are a good example. Standard on UJMs for years, they weren't on Buells until 2000. To overlook an idea/ accessory just because it is available on a GSXYZR is ludicrous. With a group as loyal and I dare say fanatical as Buell has, it is such a waste to see so little attention spent on the input from the best marketing and development tool Buell has, the people that are actually buying and riding Buells.

Ride safe and God Bless
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 05:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Actually, there are times when I appreciate the fact the the S2 doesn't have spring-loaded footpegs, sometimes it makes it easier to park it in a garage or on a trailer with the footpegs up and out of the way. Oh well.
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