| Author | Message | ||
     Crazy_johnny_t |
So if a badweather member has items for sale that are not to the personal approval of "Blake" regardless of weather they are actually retail or not they just get removed?!Your instructions clearly state "personal parts and accessories for sale" yet you exercise unchecked veto power? Why not have all for sales go directly to your personal mail then you can review all and post at your discretion, that would be to much actual work to maintain your control. | ||
| Spiderman |
Your instructions clearly state "personal parts and accessories for sale" didn't you just answer your own question...  | ||
| Brinnutz |
It's basically if you can make profit on it kind of thing, you can't sell it here. That's how I see it anyways. (Message edited by brinnutz on July 08, 2009) | ||
| Damnut |
It's basically if you can make profit on it kind of thing, you can't sell it here. That's a crock, I see someone posting a BUNCH of his "personal" stuff on here for more than a profit. But I guess if you used to work for the man then it's ok. | ||
| F_skinner |
Perhaps it has to do with making a product then using the site as a source to sell it. This is really a fine line but was the first thing I thought of when I read the post. If the seller had purchased these from someone and was trying to unload them here I think that would be different. Think about it like this. How would you feel if someone was using a site you paid for to sell products without contributing anything to maintain of the site? However, selling a few stickers should not be a problem but I got that one wrong so I may be wrong on this as well. Frank | ||
| Crazy_johnny_t |
In that same vain then no one should be allowed to sell discontinued and hard to find items at a "mark-up". The guy selling the Buell race muffler for twice the original retail comes to mind? Like I stated above, if you have a standard that is understood and equally enforced that is one thing. But if you arbitrarily just pick and choose as it suits you which postings are allowed, and your understanding (Blake) is not what your communities understanding is that's just plain discriminatory. | ||
| Brinnutz |
chitty chitty bang bang (Message edited by brinnutz on July 08, 2009) | ||
| F_skinner |
In that same vain then no one should be allowed to sell discontinued and hard to find items at a "mark-up". I really do not understand that logic. If someone is MAKING the discontinued and hard to find items and selling them here then that is a rule violation as I understand it. If a seller makes a profit or not is irrelevant and between the seller and buyer. | ||
| F_skinner |
I think this states it very clearly "The privilege of advertising retail products and services is reserved for our sponsors." Retail products and services is the key. From Wikipedia: In commerce, a "retailer" buys goods or products in large quantities from manufacturers or importers, either directly or through a wholesaler, and then sells smaller quantities to the end-user. You in effect by buying or acquiring the material to manufacture a product are a retailer. You are selling the product to us, the end-user. It is not stated anywhere in the rules that I can find. It was an honest mistake. You do have options; you can become a sponsor and sell your product. It think it is cool and would love to have a couple. Look, I understand, I am sure you are not making a big profit if any and came up with a cool idea and got slammed for offering it to your fellow Buell riders. A little more tact and explanation could have helped and I suggest you pm a moderator to get clarification because I am just a Buell rider like you. Frank | ||
| Crazy_johnny_t |
Brinnutz-no I was not referring to any one in specific, and certainly not you! The Buell race can just came to mind as something that the price has gone up on now that they are no longer available in the "retail" market. This whole thing is a bit rediculous IMO. I saw a need, had an idea, put it out there. I might be making $3-4 on each in the end, which I probably will end up turning around and buying stuff from some of you all. I am 1 guy in my garage, no bussiness liscence, no copyrights or trademarks. I have learned a lesson about "Blake" and Badwebs that I will just have to chock up to comes with the territory of putting your ideas out there. Thanks for all your input, please let this one die, it has consumed far more of my time than I would have thought it would. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
In that same vain then no one should be allowed to sell discontinued and hard to find items at a "mark-up" Frank, you're not the ONLY one not understanding that logic. Quite frankly, Crazy_johnny_t, Blake owns the website. He can pretty much do what he wants. A few years back, I offered to make OUR BRAG group, and some of the other locals(To the Milwaukee area) frame sliders for tubers. I offered to do it for the COST OF MATERIALS. My post was pulled by Blake. I was initially quite angry. I was politely asked to post my actual material costs, to make sure *I* wasn't making a profit. Which later, I understood. His house... His rules. | ||
| Court |
The Badweb site rules are fair and applied equitably. Not everyone sees it that way all the time and that's the reason, quite frankly, that moderators, moderate. If someone, take me for instance, wants to list a super rare (like that pipe) factory S1 White Lightning shirt for $150 there is nothing stopping me. If you want to pay the $0 that the shirt actually cost me, don't buy it. Simple. There are, from time to time, unusual circumstances. No one gets a pass for "working for the man". That's an ill based reference to Charlie, who worked for and retired from Buell, as was simply cleaning out lots (to the benefit of Badweb members) of the stuff he accumulated over the years. So that you'll know these things don't go unchecked I'll tell you that the minute I saw LOTS of NEW Buell stuff popping up . . I looked into it. There have been cases of people selling stuff that amounted to "ill gotten goods". Charlie passed muster as clean as a babies breath. I may someday start cleaning out my basement. If I do, it'll be hundreds of things, many quite rare (like Buell prototype stuff) and I didn't pay a nickel for any of it . . . if you insist I sell it at "no profit" (really pretty foolish) I'll take it to e-Bay. Badweb, through tumult and turmoil, has existed for longer than about any motorcycle bulletin board. That speaks volumes. Blake and I have, and will again, duked it out pretty good. He's a smart guy and a fair guy. Even when we disagree I respect his character. Badweb . . . distilled to it's essence . . . is great, not perfect. Like a family, and there are similarities, we do the best we can to be fair and get along. Trying to base such decisions on 100% consensus is a fool's pursuit. The rules are clear. If you find them unacceptable, sell elsewhere. I love simple. Court | ||
| Steve_mackay |
I may someday start cleaning out my basement. I call dibs on EVERYTHING  | ||
| Court |
Hahahaha . . . my wife would be willing to ship today! By the way . . . I tried calling you yesterday . . not only were you off work, you weren't home and the cell phone number I had was no longer good. Damn good thing I didn't need parts tooled. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
Hahahaha . . . my wife would be willing to ship today! Tell her she wouldn't have to lift a finger! I'll rent a truck and can come pick it all up!! Tomorrow if needed Court, I PMed you my phone numbers... | ||
| Spiderman |
I called dibs long ago! Plus I've known Court longer :P | ||
| Court |
Hahahahaha . . Harley-Davidson keeps calling Dave and I asking questions. Somehow I get the feeling they don't want it . . . they just want us NOT to have it. There are plans underway to ensure valuable pieces of Buell history are not lost. | ||
| Froggy |
Court, I can borrow my dad's Silverado, and be at your doorstep 9am... | ||
| Damnut |
so what I stated is true, if he was an unknown I doubt that he would be allowed to sell his items. | ||
| Xbmacon |
As Blake has not responded to this, and quite frankly he doesnt have to, could there also be a potential issue with the logo used on the skidplates in question? I am no expert and have little experience with "logo law", but could there not be an issue from using them. Or was there permission expressly given? or does it matter? Maybe that factors in? I thought they were cool, BTW. | ||
| Court |
>>>if he was an unknown I doubt that he would be allowed to sell his items. I **think** you'd be wrong but then I am not a moderator. But, even if you were . . . it's no big deal. I'm wrong all the time and it quickly passes. If there was an unauthorized Buell logo on an item, and it were my decision (It's not), that'd be a deal breaker. It's simply illegal and unethical. I like simple. | ||
| Froggy |
A guy selling bootleg Buell banners got his post pulled the other day, yet he didn't make a thread to bitch about it either. | ||
| Blake |
The man was advertising new merchandise that he was producing for sale and for profit. Known or not, absent sponsorship that is a violation of our terms of use here. (Message edited by Blake on July 08, 2009) | ||
| Court |
>>>>The man was advertising new merchandise that he was producing for sale and for profit. Known or not, absent sponsorship that is a violation of our terms of use here. Hahahahaha . . . I was wrong! Turns out I like simple . . . AND HONEST. Who'd have thunk it. | ||
| Court |
Got'em . . ever get nervous when I call?
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| Steve_mackay |
ever get nervous when I call? Naah... | ||
| Essmjay |
Do the math, 35 sponsors at what, $10 a month, probably more? It's all about the money. Certainly more than required to run a site like this. Thus the tight control over free postings to protect sponsor turf. Don't like it, start your own site. Or just grin and dgaf. Shane | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
Sponsorship fees were $100/mon or $600/yr back in 2005. Not sure how much they are now. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/327 77/123584.html | ||
| Buellinator |
The only issue I've ever had with people selling stuff on Badweb is when they contribute nothing to the virtual community here by way of participation in other threads or with the sharing of information. When their only purpose for being on Badweb is to sell their goods I tend to have a problem with that. | ||
| Essmjay |
So, with those numbers that would be around $42,000 a year in sponsorship receipts. Any wonder why the control is so tight? |
