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Chrischad
Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've looked, and I've looked, and the bike I keep coming back to is the Blast, I like the looks, I want to support innovation, and I dig thumpers, I just have a few questions....
1. I've read a lot about the reliability of blasts, any comments, have they fixed the problem, and which model years did/does it affect
2. How is the power on this little beast, I'm close to 200Lbs, I'm not looking for a race bike, but a bike I can tinker with, and commute on, it has more oomph than my old SR500, and that did me fine, but is it useable power, any flat spots???
3. The big one!, I'm about 6 foot tall, will I fit on a blast? How available are the taller seats? I like to do a little distance riding, but mostly commuting, and pleasure day rides, anyone about my size have any feedback for me?
I like the bike, but I'm not a wealthy man, and I want a bike that will take care of me the way I take care of it. So I like to do a lot of research before I put down my $$$ I'd love to hear the good, the bad, and the ugly. Any help you could provide would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Chris
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Sarodude
Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1) Reliability is actually just dandy. Blasts are usually made unhappy by those servicing them.

2) Power is certainly acceptable. Past 80 you'll really be wishing for more oomph - but it's really a capable and fun little beastie.

3) I'm 5'11" or 6' - depending on the day and who's measuring. I fit the Blast just fine. It comes from the factory with either a short (25.5"?) or tall (27.5"?) seat. I can ride the short seat but prefer the tall. Even then, it squishes down pretty far.


quote:

I like the bike, but I'm not a wealthy man, and I want a bike that will take care of me the way I take care of it.




That said, you sound like an ideal candidate for induction into the Blastard Brotherhood.

-Saro
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Mikej
Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1. "...have they fixed the problem..."

What problem are you referring to?

2. I've followed people your size and bigger who were on Blasts down the freeway at 80+mph (test rider, controlled roadway, professional, any other fibs to make the 80mph sound more legal, but the 80mph is true) and they held the speed just fine. An aftermarket exhaust and jetting the carb will make up for any EPA tunings.

3. I'm around your size, slightly (yes, I said "slightly" ) heavier, and the Blasts I've ridden fit just fine. Small yes, but fit fine.

There's people who are planning to ride their Blasts 1000-2000+ miles to Wisconsin starting next week or the week after. That should say something about the reliability. If you have any concerns then wait to read their ride reports probably starting sometime after the 20th.

Hope this helps in your decision. The final decision is totally up to you. ;)
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Mavinwy
Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, I am 180lbs, and the bike works fine for me. I have re-jetted the carb (the info is in the Knowlesge vault here) and I have the V/H exhaust. Fuel economy went down a little with the mods, but I still average about 55mpg and almost all of my riding is over 6000 feet. I fairly often take it over the pass between Cheyenne and Laramie and it holds 75 at about 3/4 throttle.

The rocker box gasket, intake boot and crappy stock tires are the big complaints I have heard (there are a couple of little ones like the sidestand switch...I by passed mine early on so it would not be a problem)

The rocker box gasket was upgraded to a much better one in 2002, so if you are looking new, this is not a real issue. If you get a used one, it is not a dificult change out if you are modreately handy with tools. I think mine was like $25.00 for the parts.

The intake boot is just not a great design. Everything from changing it out each oil change to replacing it with other types of hosing has been tried. Check out the carburation section of the Knowlege Vault for more information.

The crappy tires are mostly just a wear issue. Like they dont (3000 miles is doing well) But pirelli and avon both make a replacement that people have had better luck with. Several people are also trying some of the oriental brands.

As far as being 6' tall. Well, I can't really answer that one. Only 5'7" But I can welcome you to the group whatever you decide.

Jim

Oh Yeah, the transmission fluid is a bear to change because of the footpeg arrangement, and the stock seat is a little less than comfortable for long rides.
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Cjmblast
Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 12:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Power is certainly acceptable. Past 80 you'll really be wishing for more oomph -

I would also say the power is acceptable, but I do many times wish it had more oomph going from a stop/slow down in a turn and then getting back up to speed as well as over 80 mph. But for commuting, fun riding, and money spent it's great !!

I've had NO reliability issues, but I just ride it, take it in for maintenance and keep the oil checked.

I would like to get a new exhaust and re-jet, but I'd also like to get a new bigger, more powerful bike next year (xb9s low, color black) !! :)

CJM




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Jprovo
Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Chris,
1. The Blast in stock condition is very reliable. MOST problems occur with modification.
2. Power is fine for spirited riding. You're familiar with single cylinder machines, so you shouldn'd be disappointed. The gearing allows all day cruising at 75-80. There is a flat spot in the middle of the powerband, a rejet and pipe will fix that, but the bike has totally useable power stock.
3. I'm 6' ~190 lbs. The Blast has served me fine for riding that I would describe similarly to yours.

In 13500 miles, I've had a few problems (see profile) but I love the bike. I will keep my Blast for a long time.

James
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Chrischad
Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 07:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thank you all for your great feedback, I just need to find one now to take for a spin and see how it feels. You seem like a great bunch of riders who actually care about bikes and riding, not just for chrome and speed. It is refreshing to find a group who are into bikes the way I am. Hope to be riding with you soon
Chris
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Mavinwy
Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dude, you are in Denver. I am in Cheyenne. If you can't find one there that they will let you take for a spin, drop me a line at the addy in my profile. We can work out getting you on mine (it won't give you the "stock" feel though)

Jim
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Cowboy
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2003 - 06:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My daughter is thinking of buying a blast. as I have never rode one, I would like to have some compairsons to the old victor 441 that I know pretty well. Could some of you british riders fill me in? thanks
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Fssnoc2501
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2003 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cowboy,

Very comparable to the 441, it has alot of low end with a very pleasantly wide powerband. Less oil leaks, but not without a few. Much better handling on pavement, not quite as good on dirt. About the same amount of power if not just a little more. With a few inexpensive and easy mods has an improved power band and more power than the 441. Although the Victor was a sweet bike, the Blast has better parts availability. LOL

Ray


(Thanks Ray! - Moderator)

edited by ezblast on September 12, 2003
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Ezblast
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2003 - 08:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ray probably pretty well covered it but I thought I'd add these


Blast Spec's
DIMENSIONS
Seat Height:
Standard 27.5 in. (699 mm)
Low Profile 25.5 in. (648 mm)
Rake 25 degrees
Trail 3.4 in. (86 mm)
Wheelbase 55.0 in. (1397 mm)
Front Tire Dunlop 100/80 - 16 50 s K330 A series bias-belted
Rear Tire Dunlop 120/80 - 16 60 s K330 A series bias-belted
Fuel Capacity 2.8 gal. (10.6 L)
Reserve Fuel Capacity 0.55 gal. (2.1 L)
MPG - EPA Urban/Highway Test2 69/72.8 mpg (3.4/3.2 L/100 Km)
Dry Weight 360 lbs. (163 kg)
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 780 lbs. (354 kg)
Load Capacity 390 lbs. (177 kg)

ENGINE
Engine Air-cooled, Four-Stroke, Single Cylinder
Valve Train OHV, two valves, hydraulic adjusters, self-adjusting
Bore x Stroke 3.500 x 3.125 in. (88.90 x 79.38 mm)
Compression Ratio 9.2:1
Displacement 492 cc (30.0 ci)
Fuel Delivery 40 mm Keihin™ carburetor with auto fuel enrichner system
Air Cleaner Tuned velocity expansion chamber
Exhaust System Tuned tri-pass resonance chamber
Torque (North America Per SAE J607) 30 ft. lbs. @ 3200 rpm
Horsepower (North America Per SAE J607) 34 Crank HP @ 6500 rpm
Lubrication 2 qts. (1.893 L)
Oil Filtration Screw-on disposable element

DRIVETRAIN
Primary Drive Chain; 1.676:1 (57/34)
Final Drive3 Kevlar® belt; ratio 2.963:1 (80/27)
Clutch Wet, multi-plate
Transmission Five-speed, constant mesh
Transmission Ratios:
1st 2.688
2nd 1.850
3rd 1.433
4th 1.181
5th 1.000

CHASSIS4
Frame Wide beam HSLA steel backbone frame w/ built-in oil reservoir; Uniplanar® powertrain vibration isolation system; Titanium color finish
Front Fork Showa® conventional 37.0 mm forks
Rear Shock Showa non-adjustable gas charged compression shock
Wheels:
Front 5-spoke cast, 2.50 x 16; Stardust Silver
Rear 5-spoke cast, 2.75 x 16; Stardust Silver
Brakes:
Front Dual-piston, floating caliper, 320 mm stainless steel rotor
Rear Single, piston floating caliper, 220 mm stainless steel rotor

ELECTRIC
Battery 12 amp-hour, SLA (Sealed Lead Acid)
Charging 297-watt AC alternator, solid state regulator/rectifier
Lights: (as per country regulation)
Headlight Sealed beam
Tail/stop lights 5/21 watts
Turn signals lights (manual canceling) 10 watts

CONVENIENCE
Instruments Electronic speedometer with LED odometer and tripmeter, built-in LED indicator lamps for low oil pressure, high beam, turn signals, and neutral.
Clutch Reduced effort clutch with shorter reach lever
Shift Pedal Fully adjustable shift pedal enables personalized fit
Body Panels Molded-in-color body panels - resist dents/chips, most scratches easily buff out
Turn Signals Flexible, resist damage
Under Seat Storage Yes
COLORS5
Midnight Black, Sunset Orange
WARRANTY
Warranty 24 months (unlimited mileage)

Victor 441

I'm sure the Blast handles a bit better - lol - And you got a bit more Range with the Blast, but the Victor was a Duellie - very impressive.
A BSA product - very nice!

Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ
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Cowboy
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 06:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Guys , I needed a ref. point I should be able to go forward now.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2003 - 07:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Among my top favorite bikes of all time...the Victor DEFINES "character".

BSA 441 Victor Left

BSA 441 Victor Right
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Patience
Posted on Sunday, June 06, 2004 - 07:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mornin' folks. I'm lookin' to pick up a blast here in the next few days as my first bike. That said, I've got one in mind, and would like to get some info on what might be some appropriate questions to ask of the person I'd like to buy it from. It's a 2002 completely stock, only 400 miles on it. Anything I should be checking on it to make sure it's in decent shape after sitting for a while? Any recalls I should ask about? Any comments/suggestions would be more than welcome. I look forward to joining y'all out there soon : )

Patience
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Ezblast
Posted on Sunday, June 06, 2004 - 02:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How long has it been sitting? If not too long it should be ok. A few early 2002 bikes had the older style rockercover gasket, and in around 10,000 miles it would have to be replaced (these are rare though). 2002 starts the on going era of Bullet proof Blasts - newer style bearings, better jetting, and no more build line quality issues - at 400 miles its still being broken in so treat accordingly. If been sitting for over a year - avoid without proof of running and moving - lol
Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ
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Fyshtyx
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2004 - 01:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a 2002 Blast. For the most part, it's been a great little bike to ride, and makes for a fun (and cheap) commute to work!

HOWEVER - Once the bike gets warm up after riding awhile, the idle speed is VERY high. Since there is no tach, I'd have to guess it's above 2000, possibly close to 2500 RPM.

When sitting at a stoplight, if I let the clutch lever out slightly, the idle speed drops considerably (as one would expect). I've heard that the Blasts have a history of poorly calibrated TPS. Is this true?

If anyone can help, I'd greatly appreciate it!

Thanks, Mark
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Ezblast
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2004 - 02:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sounds like an intake leak - do the WD test, but the boot may need replacing. Also if your throttle cables are twisted - this may happen (remove tank and check alignment - untwist if tangled together).
GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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Fyshtyx
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2004 - 06:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

EZ - thanks for the hints. I was sitting at a stoplight the other day and some guy leans out the window of his truck as said, "Your bike sounds like a lawnmower!" And unfortunately, I really couldn't argue with him.

However, I'm rather ignorant about much of this as of yet, but I'm reading posts and trying to learn.

1. "Intake leak" - I'm assuming you mean an air intake leak? Please elaborate a bit.

2. WD Test - spraying WD40 to see if there are bubbles? (Maybe direct me to another posting on this topic.)

3. I think I can handle the throttle cables. I just downloaded the service manual that someone had posted, so I'll find it in there.

I've heard that the TPS on some Blasts are set incorrectly at the factory. Have you heard of this, and could it be causing the high idle speed problem when the bike is warmed up? On cold starts, and while the bike is getting warmed up, my Blast does have that nice, low gutteral "thumping" at idle. The problem is that it purrs like lion on Ecstacy once the engine is hot.

By the way ... I'm a newbie here, obviously, but the site is GREAT! Keep up the excellent work.
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Ezblast
Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2004 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Naw - its not a TPS thing - your rubber intake boot is leaking - either from being loose or a tear. You would spray WD 40 (breakcleaner has been recommended as a better solution - but don't get on plastic)around the rubber boot - if it stalls, or the idle rises even more - its a total confirm, however - that high rpms sounds like a confirm though - already (Also check that the little rubber plug/cap that is on the line sticking out of the carbs left side is good also). A few early Blasts had timing trouble - easily rectified by procedure outlined. Hope that helps!
GT - JBOTDS! EZ

(Message edited by ezblast on August 01, 2004)
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Rockbiter1
Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 01:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can confirm the intake leak thing, i blew out my hose this weekend, waiting (not-so)patiently for my replacement to arrive at my stealership (order an extra, just in case)
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Johnnyquest
Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 09:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hello Thumper fans! Today was my second day of my MSF BRC, and my first time ever on a Blast! I had so much fun today! The only thing that was a bummer was all the other bikes on the course that were so much slower than me. During exercises that called for second or third gear on the hondas and such, we newbies on the Buells were using first and second gear. I loved the way it cornered (only dragged the left foot peg once lol). I really think I'm going to buy a blast as my first bike, and I may keep it longer than originally planned....

One question for everyone....the Blast I rode today had a very stiff clutch lever, and the friction zone was literally next to the grip....if I let it out the slightest bit from the grip the clutch started to engage. I got used to it, but I'm thinking the Blasts they're using haven't had alot of TLC in the 900 miles of training duty. Can the clutch lever on the Blast be adjusted so that the friction zone isn't so close to the grip? (fully depressed I mean). Also, what can be done if anything to reduce the effort? Lubricate the cables or something?

One more question.....I saw a cafe-racer style fairing for sale in JC Whitney catalog, I think it said it fit 7inch round headlight bikes....it was only $60 I think. Does anyone have this fairing on their blast? Or could they recommend where I could get one for the Blast I plan to buy next month? If I decide to keep this bike a while I will get a fairing and some saddlebags to make my commute easier.

I'm learning alot here, thanks again to everyone for sharing their knowledge, passion, and enthusiasm.

JQ
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Ezblast
Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 11:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes! And easilly as well at the outer adjustment! Lubricating will help with the stiffness
The fairing will fit with trimming to the rear sides ala paper tape to mask out the cutting area and Dremmel away for clearance.
GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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Johnnyquest
Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 11:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ez, thanks for the info.....so I'll assume that if I buy a used Blast from my local dealer that the clutch adjustment and action will be better than the bike i'm training on....and if it's not, then they can fix it! Thanks again....

JQ
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Jlnance
Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey JQ,

Glad your having a good time. Be sure to write back and let us know how today went.

I took the Riders Edge class in July. It is based on the MSF class, the main difference is that all the bikes are Blasts. I went into the class not having any idea what kind of bike I wanted and came out knowing I was going to get a Blast. I have not regretted that decision.

I have heard people say the blast clutch is more difficult to work than those on other bikes (shorter friction zone). I have never ridden anything except a blast, so I don't know how true this is. But I did have a lot of trouble with the clutch in the class, and I heard other people stalling the bikes as well (doesn't it feel good to know other people screw up as well :-). But it took less than a week of riding my own bike for me to get used to it. I didn't even think about it after that. The clutch just works. My hands know what to do. I hardly ever stall, even when I do something dumb like pull out in 2nd gear. Don't worry about the clutch too much, you will be fine with it.

Hope today went well for you. This wasn't a fun day for me when I took the class. I dropped the bike early in the day and I was SO embarassed.

Take Care,

Jim
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Johnnyquest
Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 12:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, I did it....I passed my BRC, going to get my motorcycle endorsement tomorrow. I had alot of fun and learned so much in just two days....I really felt confident on the bike on day two. Only thing I did wrong was hit a corner cone on the weave.....and my stopping distance was about 3 feet long for my speed on the quick stop. But, I didn't drop the bike and the instructor said given I have zero riding experience and I elected to ride one of the more "challenging" bikes in their fleet, and that I was the first out on the course for each test, that I did extremely well. Oh, did I mention that the first two hours today I rode in a steady rain. That caused me to lock up my rear wheel numerous times on the quick stop excersise. They told me if I can get a good deal on a two year old Blast that it would be a good bike for my first year, they said their experience as instructors is that they're tough little machines...

Jim, I stalled my bike several times during the course. I heard several others do it but not as much as those of us on the Blasts. I really think the clutch cables on their bikes need to be adjusted. I was much better with it by day two.

I'll be buying my first bike next month, and unless I find a deal too good to pass up it will probably be a Blast.

JQ
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Jlnance
Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 04:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

JQ,

Congratulations! You will enjoy your Blast if you get one.

Jim
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Rockbiter1
Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 11:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When my wife took her Rider's Edge course, the Blasts there were totally abused...by the dealer. Tire pressures were not right, clutches either dragged, or wouldn't lock all the way, brake levers bent and or broken, basicly, all the bikes that needed to be in good condition to inspire rider confidance, weren't. My wife was super pissed, they lost 3-4 hours of riding time, waiting for the dealer to fix the bikes enough to be rideable...she had much more appreciation for my Blast after riding thiers : )

Take care of the Blast, jet it properly, and have a good pipe, you will love it forever (even if you upgrade later, its still a totaly fun bike to ride) I just bought an 04 FXD, and so while i ride that 1440cc beast, i'm modifying my Blast with pro series cams and other go-fast stuff...its gonna scream! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 01:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes,Rockbiter,the Darkside still has a hold on you.
Resistance is futile.I envision your wife riding the FXD more than you!
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Rockbiter1
Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 09:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

funny you mention that...she likes the FXD, but she has carpal tunnel syndrome...she loves the Blast (i put purple plastic on it for her...thats how much i love my wife...), but we all know that Blasts have a slight tendancy to vibrate a bit :P She likes the FXD, but thats MINE. So i had to buy her a VL800K4 Suzuki Volusia...it rides smooth, and looks like a FatBoy, if you squint a bit...

HOWEVER..before i get booed off the board, i am still rabidly ProBuell, and promote Buell whenever i can...its just kinda hard to ride 2 up with an 8yr old kid (my daughter) on an XB12r....The Blast will be hers in 8 years, when she is old enough for a streetbike. By that time, i think i'll have a supercharger and drag slicks on it MUAHAHAHAHAHA
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Must... resist... snide... comment.
Between your 2 American made bikes and your occupation, I couldn't say a thing!
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