| Author | Message | ||
     Jibby33 |
Got a 2007 Blast for the g/f but have been riding it to work as I discovered it is a great commuter bike for me (mine is a Yamaha Roadstar 1600). Want a louder pipe and found mainly the V&H or the Jardine on line. Which is louder? Also, I figured I put a K&N filter in and would probably have to re-jet. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks and I look forward to hearing back! Brian D Ft Lauderdale | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
V & H. Cheaper, louder and you can make it louder too! 45 slow, 170 main for starters and shim the needle. (42 slow is stock, 170 main is stock. They tend to be jetted lean on the idle and slow speed circuits.) | ||
| Indybuell |
+1 on Erik's comment! | ||
| Jibby33 |
Thanks for the input... this board ROCKS! A few more questions now. How do you make the V&H louder and how difficult is it to do the carb changes? Will the carb settings be the same if I add a K&N air filter? Which parts/kit for the carb mods? Thanks again!! | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Its gets louder as the packing blows out (but reliability will suffer) I'm not sure how loud you want, but I hear its pretty loud!!! Muffler can be substituted for a straight pipe or other louder muffler. EZ is the carb expert, but the filter might need richer jetting. Most stock engined Blasts use a 170 or 175 main. 180 is often way too rich. 45, 46 or 48 is common for the slow jet. My opinion is that the 45 is good, 48 is way too rich. But the best idea is to actually tune the engine, not just throw jets in. Jets are cheap. Shimming the needle takes 2 very small washers (#4 or #6 cant remember which, but the smaller of the two) and that may affect your slow and even main jet choice. If your Blast varies off these parameters, you may have a problem as the majority of Blasts will fall in this range regardless of most common mods. Thats my opinion/observation! Carb mods are easy, but please, please, please resist the temptation to take the carb apart to "give it a good cleaning". This often leads to more problems. If you're handy with tools its easy. It all can be done with the carb in place, but some find it easier to take the carb off. If you're familiar with carbs its very easy. Read up on it first to make sure you know what you're getting in to. | ||
| Jetlee |
#4 washers are .025" thick where the #6 are .03"' general rule of thumb is two #4's. | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
The #6's are just too big overall and cant be used (I just couldnt remember which was which). Thanks Jetlee! | ||
| Jetlee |
No prob. I'm actually using two #6's in mine right now with pleasant results. I can't find #4's anywhere, tried all the local tool shops and hardware stores. | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Hobby shops. The kind that sell r/c model airplanes and such. ...and I actually use 4 washers, but that engine has been tampered with!  | ||
| Jetlee |
Oh, awesome, I'll go by Visalia Hobbies. Thanks! | ||
| Themagster |
Another option - D & D. I have had both the V & H and the D & D out of Texas. Between the two, I think the D & D is a little louder. And I am not dealing with the rivets vibrating loose. I can also go over speed bumps now without hitting the bottom of the exhaust. Just an idea, don't recall the price difference though. | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
D & D is LOUD! Sorry, I thought it was discontinued. Maybe I just havent heard the name in a while. The D & D is more money, but perhaps more reliable. I do seem to remember it being louder than my 'V & H' though (certainly louder than the Pro Series and White Brothers). More of a higher pitch noise if I remember correctly. Thanks Maggie! | ||
| Ezblast |
The D&D has a nice bark and you can mount that can on the Jardine header and get both an amazing sound and a bit more power as well because of how free-flowing the set up is, a daj and splitter is a must though to help keep the bottom end up - mid and top is excellent. The Force is loud!, but my brother is getting that - with a small tq cone welded in - ala TP's custom. EZ EZ | ||
| Jibby33 |
Is the D&D a complete exhaust? Just ran across this Kerker exhaust... http://www.jcmotors.com/p-26956-kerker-full-exhaus t-system-for-buell-blast-motorcycles-2000-2008.asp x Anyone?? (Message edited by jibby33 on December 22, 2011) | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
$400?!! Not worth it, and the can will surely hit the ground on some hard dips or bumps. | ||
| Themagster |
Sounds like you may have already settled on the V & H. But FWIW Yes, the D & D is a full exhaust system: http://www.danddexhaust.com/catalog/2005/07/43021b .htm Quick search found one for $331 @ http://www.motopipesusa.com/d-and-d-buell-blast-ex haust-system.html And one for $326 @ http://www.starcycle-usa.com/servlet/the-62693/00- dsh-09-00-01-02/Detail Good luck with your project. | ||
| Cgent |
WHY ???  Loud pipes permanently damage your hearing and piss off non-motorcyclists. They rarely produce more power. At least ... if you subscribe to the "loud pipes save lives" school of thought ... aim the pipes forward, where they might be effective.  | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
"if you subscribe to the "loud pipes save lives" school of thought ... aim the pipes forward, where they might be effective." ...and I do. Whisper quiet gets you quietly killed, at least if you ride in any traffic. The thought that exhaust pipes can only be heard in the direction that they are pointed is ludicrous. And there is a reason that much research has been done to consider adding noise to the super quiet electric vehicles. It doesnt have to be obnoxious either. Thats for a-holes. California is the only state I know of where splitting lanes (lane sharing) is 'legal'. You always want to get behind someone with 'loud' pipes. On the morning daily routine commute many people are asleep at the wheel, or talking on the phone, reading, applying make-up, texting, or any number of sometimes bizarre activities other than paying attention to driving. Had them quiet, had them loud. I'll take loud and clean underwear every time! Pipes that produce more power tend to be louder, which is different than saying the loudest pipes produce the most power. | ||
| Jibby33 |
I do enjoy a "louder" bike although I'm not an a-hole (unless you ask my ex wife). I also believe that having a louder bike will at least make the drivers around you "aware" of your presence. I sometimes find on my other bike (1600 Roadstar) that a well placed throttle crack works wonders to get attention when it's needed. The Blast is a cool bike and I look forward to changing the exhaust and such. I am on a bit of a budget and that's why I'll probably go with the V&H pipe. Thanks!! Brian D | ||
| Jibby33 |
I forgot to ask if anyone was running with an exhaust other that the V&H or the Jardine? Like the D&D or Kerker ...? Thanks! | ||
| Shagg1970 |
Gearheaderiko, Quote: "if you subscribe to the "loud pipes save lives" school of thought ... aim the pipes forward, where they might be effective." ...and I do. Whisper quiet gets you quietly killed, at least if you ride in any traffic. The thought that exhaust pipes can only be heard in the direction that they are pointed is ludicrous. Guess you never heard of the doppler effect, watch this video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWKqdevDuss as in this clip you cant hear the bike till its right on top of you and then better when it passes. Don't get me wrong I l love the sound of loud pipes, but because it stirs something primal inside me. To say that loud pipes save lives is ignorant, especially when most people (harley riders) who say that dont wear helmets or protective gear. I have had several get offs on my ulysses, because I ride it like I stole it and enjoy it that way, but never, not once has my Drummer muffler saved my life or prevented injury, but my helmet, riding jacket , gloves, boots, and pants have always saved the day. Just my opinion.  (Message edited by shagg1970 on December 23, 2011) | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Well, you obviously dont ride in California. Or New York City. And I've heard and read the counter argument so many times that I cant believe that people convince themselves that their ears are wrong. I know what I hear and you cant tell me I dont hear it because of any kind of science. You also cant negate personal experience. I've ridden with both loud and quiet and I've seen the difference. And you cant say your drummer never saved your life or prevented injury because how would you know? Did someone chase you down to tell you they almost hit you, but then heard you? Yes I'm a Harley rider. That doesnt mean I like obnoxious exhausts. For every Harley with loud pipes I'm sure there's just as many sport bikes with loud exhausts. However, its been my experience that the 'sportbike' riders with the loud exhausts are the one's who'll sit in front of that outdoor cafe revving their bikes repeatedly under the guise they're warming it up, when all they really want is attention. I advocate considerate motorcycling. I've seen A LOT more sportbike riders blocking traffic to do their 'stunting'. Obnoxious behavior no matter what the form hurts us all. Ride what you want, just dont be an a-hole about it (at least not in front of the general public). Will a helmet save your life every time from every injury? No! Neither will a loud horn or loud exhaust. Its just one more thing you can do to be seen. Just like lighting, reflector strips, bright clothing, etc. Its all part of the arsenal of staying alive. We all make our choices in that regard. I'm also not telling anyone to change their exhaust just for the sake of noise (unless thats what they want). By they way, nice Sportster  | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
PS whats the first thing you do in the mountains when you want to cross the street and cant see whats coming round the corner? YOU LISTEN!!!! You cant tell me you havent been riding in the mountains and not listened for approaching motorcycles (or cars). | ||
| Styxnpicks |
I took the baffles out of my pro series exhaust and still have people trying to run me over on the highway | ||
| Ezblast |
I love the sound of the Force, but to preserve my hearing earplugs where necessary - period. Still - it is an awesome exhaust, and my younger brother is really looking forward to his EZ Blast custom on a budget. The 4" supper-trapp with the 18 discs is really free flowing, and there is less noise than conventional less free-flowing glass-packed cans. Its still louder than stock though, but in a good way. EZ | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
"and still have people trying to run me over on the highway" Its been my experience over the last few years that there are a number of people who just expect us to get out of their way as a means of self preservation.  Its no longer a matter of they dont see us, they just dont care. It could also be fueled by the motorcyclists who ride the same way | ||
| Themagster |
Jibby - I have the D & D and it has worked very well for me. I found it to be very well made and reliable. Erik - on the money with everything you can do to be seen, be heard. I ride two different bikes and I do feel that people are more aware of my presence with the Blast. | ||
| Ronbob43 |
Mags-I lost the thread, but I have been reading you on the belt and pulley change at 15k. I looked at my wife's mileage yesterday of 14,380 and thought I should order some parts. 15 miles later the belt broke. | ||
| Themagster |
Isn't that the way it goes. I am very good with regular daily garage maintenance but lacking a little in the jobs that require more effort/time down. Riding is the only thing I want to do when not locked in my office. The down time kills me. It's easier to let some jobs fall between the cracks but not smart. I have been lucky not to have had more than one belt break on me. All parts should be here soon and I will be back in business. I hope your wife's is also back on the road soon. Bet she loves it. Most fun on two wheels. I have a 500 parallel twin I've put 9,000 miles on since April, it gets the job done but it is not as much fun as the Blast. Will never be able to replace it, one of a kind. If I get better at keeping the bike up maybe it will last forever. | ||
| Jetlee |
I have a LOUD exhaust! It's custom, based on the Force. If anyone's in Cali and wants to stop by, you can hear/feel it for yourself. Call me an a-hole, I don't care. Even if a cager is mad at my loud pipe, they still know I'm there. Those that say you can't hear the exhaust from the front are stupid. Is that offensive? Too bad. Every day at 3pm a guy on an R6 goes by my window. I hear him a GOOD 3 seconds before he passes by. I hear most loud motorcycles at lease 2 seconds before they go by. Also when riding with friends, they've claimed that they can't hear their engine's idle over mine...I'm in back; explain that one. The Doppler Effect doesn't say that the car/motorcycle/vehicle doesn't make a sound, it says that the pitch is higher as it's coming towards you and lower as it's going away. I bark my throttle and I'll drown out the music of the car in front me, making myself known. Loud pipes save lives. I'll be an a-hole rather than a blood puddle any day. (Message edited by Jetlee on January 04, 2012) |
