| Author | Message | ||
     Ezblast |
No neutral light to start, will not engage into a gear, drum pins - except one - are a tad longer than the max .335 - what should be my next step, bring the pins in, readjust shift pawl, and what? I get no neutral light. All the nuts seem tight. EZ | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
What does the shifter do? Anything? Resistance? Noise? My first guess would be the detent clip or retaining ring or bolt. My second guess would be an internal gear failure and you're stuck between gears. Third would be a shift drum malfunction (which may relate to the bolt, clip or ring). | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Sorry, didnt see that post. Can you get anything to engage? As far as the neutral light, I would diagnose that first. If you pull it out and it works (my guess would be grounding it out), then it must be the contact in the transmission. If its that, the likely the shift drum isnt turning or has fouled up. (I havent gone out to the garage or checked the manual, so thats of the top of my head). | ||
| Ezblast |
Shifter will move up or down, however, nothing is engaging, and where is the neutral switch sensor located? - I removed the Detent clip to see if the plate would engage with the pins If I added my finger pressure - the drum rotates just a tiny bit back and forth, and properly fitted the detent plate star tip end is depressing the roller tip - the roller is not resting in between star tips on the detent clip, and the drum will not willingly move more in either direction - EZ | ||
| Ezblast |
Does this sound like time to split the case? EZ | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Its sounds like the shift drum is fubar. Whether its something in the trans jammed up preventing it from moving or the shift drum is actually bad I couldn't say. Either way, you'll have to split the case. I would definitely (though you probably already have) play with the trans, shifting, spinning the wheel, etc. to see if you an get it to go back to normal. If its just jammed, it would be a shame to split the case for that (or would it  ). The neutral switch is behind the front 'sprocket'. | ||
| Ezblast |
Its rolled around, pushed it home, its in Neutral with no neutral light and won't shift into gear, the drum barely moves- like it is stuck between engagements, and the Detent Plate reflects this as the detent arm refuses to rest in the valleys of the detent plate ,but instead is stuck on one of its star tips, and as I said earlier, all but one of the drum pins is too long. Ahhh well - now to figure out if the 6 speed from anyone would be in price range - lol EZ | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Before you take it apart, pull the neutral switch and make sure that it didnt come apart and jam the drum. | ||
| Ezblast |
Ok - I'll do that. EZ | ||
| Ezblast |
Any hints for removing the pully with out using the HD Tool? EZ | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Step on the rear brake and loosen the nut (its left handed thread-so turn it clockwise) | ||
| Ezblast |
Thanks - good to know. EZ | ||
| Fast1075 |
Concur with Erik...check the neutral switch first..it could have the trans jammed up...something is keeping the shift drum from rotating..if it is not the switch, it is time to pull the bike off the motor. | ||
| Ezblast |
What size socket does that front sprocket nut take? Also how would the neutral switch jam the drum? EZ | ||
| Swampy |
EZ, Do you have the primary cover off yet? Whats it look like in there? Everything the way it should be? | ||
| Ezblast |
Thats just it, every thing looks fine, the drum won't turn more than an 1/8th of an inch though. First news - the socket needed for the front pulley nut is 1 7/8". First question - how to stop that pulley from turning with out the use of the HD tool - Ideas? Is that pulley the same as the XB27 tooth unit? Just curious - If I split the cases, you can bet I'm pulling everything, and going over all of it, new bearings everywhere, etc. - be damn if I want to split the cases more than once - so if I'm in there, things will be done to product 'improve' as a sharp cookie used to say. EZ | ||
| Ezblast |
Question 2 - how would the neutral light sensor jam things up? EZ | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Have you tried stepping on the brake to hold the wheel/belt/pulley? Sharp cookie or caustic cookie?! A pnuematic impact driver may also work. (left hand!) The sensor has to ride on something. If it came apart it could have jammed the drum.Its not magical! If it wore out a spot then that could have jammed. After you take out the switch, things will make sense. | ||
| Ezblast |
Yeah - did the brake trick - no go - this nut is reverse thread - right? Still could use a good idea on not having the pulley turn while trying to take that nut off. EZ | ||
| Ezblast |
Impact driver moved it a little, so I PB Blasted it, will do so again in the morn before I leave for work, and hit it again tomorrow nite. EZ | ||
| Andychang |
you get this all fixed up and taken care of? | ||
| Ezblast |
Won't know till tonight - still trying to get that pulley nut loose. EZ | ||
| Luvdathump |
First I would try smacking the socket with a hammer while your hitting it with the impact gun. That might shock it free. Next I would try a little heat on the nut, it might expand a little to come loose and if all else fails a hammer and a sharp chisel should split the nut on one side and allow it to be removed. You could also try hitting the nut in the direction of removal with a hammer and chisel. Once the chisel get a bite into the nut you can get a pretty good swing at it. Good Luck! | ||
| Ezblast |
Time of death July 1st, 2009 @ 8:26PM - sensor was fine, means drum is fubar - shit! Ahhh well, I shall rebuild, tear her all the way down and rebuild all the way up! I'll make her a bit faster, a lot stronger and slap her into that XB frame that has been waiting for such an occasion. EZ | ||
| Fast1075 |
Dang it EZ....get that thing torn apart...we need an autopy...with lots of gory pictures...what broke...so we can product improve it  . P.S. I recently ran into someone that told me that the reason stuff like that happens, is from the clutch not properly dis engaging...the resulting grinding into first gear damages the drum and pins along with the forks and dogs...when it finally turns up a burr in something, it jams the works so the drum won't turn. |
