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College713
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a 2003 blast with 4000 miles on it. I have always had trouble with the transmission "missing" when going from first to second and staying in neutral but all the sudden it wont go into 5th at all. When I am in 4th gear and go to shift to 5th it feels like I am topped out and it doesnt move at all. Any idea what this could be or how much it will cost to fix?
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Naustin
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've never heard of that before. Doesn't sound like an easy or cheap fix; and for sure a trip to the dealer.
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College713
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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College713
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 11:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

who needs to go that fast anyways : ( im a poor college student that is the only reason i got this (that and I couldnt picture myself on a moped) so i cant afford to have it fixed
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Ezblast
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Try having your primary adjusted to our specs - could be too tight - you loose power and top end - the trannys actually get better with age as they are worn in - 1st to second has always been iffy when cold but a better oil in the primary helps a lot there as well. Check the specifics and engine procedures section for both sugestions! Good luck!
GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Concur-1st to 2nd always been rough.
The 4th to 5th could be the same loose bolt problem as in earlier years, locking out 1st gear.

Do you still have a warranty?
If you dont and bought it new, it could pay off to be persistent with the dealer since you've only got 4000 miles it. Cry, whine, complain etc., but do ask for help. It cant hurt, even a call to Buell customer service may help.Be persistent (& nice). Even if all you can do is get the dealer to look at it for free, thats something.
Realistically, being a Blast owner, some dealers will treat you like a leper, others will treat you like a king though, IE: If they wont fix a problem on a Blast with 4000 miles on it, why would you turn around and buy a Road King from them?
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Swampy
Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 10:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

College,
Is there any other conditions occurring with the transmission?
Did this problem get progressivly worse?
Are you in Michigan?
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College713
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No other than not being able to get into 5th i havent had any other problems with it.

It cant say for sure that it got worse. I didnt even notice until I got on the interstate and it topped out around 83mph.

And no I am in florida.
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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 01:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Try adjusting your primary to the loose side, then see if you have regained top end and 5th. - for better shifting go to Mobil 1 75/90 synth. If you still can't get 5th - definately need to look into the eternals - or have the dealer do so.
GT - JBOTDS! EZ

(Message edited by ezblast on May 26, 2005)
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College713
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ok i will try to adjust the primary this weekend when i have more free time... busy with school 6 days a week and work full time...

I did notice that when the bike has been sitting for a while that I can get it to shift into 5th by hand but it is just really tight feeling between 4th and 5th like it doesnt want to go... still suggest the primary or something else now?

thanx for all your suggestions and support
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College713
Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ok so i didnt have the patience to wait until sunday and went and tried it now (who needs to study anways right?) ....

all i got to say is EZ you are my f'in hero man i dont know how much money you just saved my but the dealership wanted $150 just to look at it..

I owe you many thanx
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Metalliman27055
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 10:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ive got similiar prob as college....will not shift into 5th gear....never has since i got it couple years ago...called tilley h-d and they told me it was probably shifting fork....anyone ever changed one of those or have a better idea...it sucks goin 70 on the interstate being passed by semis while on a motorcycle
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Swampy
Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 11:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey! Welcome to the board Metalliman27005(Thats the last time I type that all out!)

To keep things really simple, You bike has never shifted into 5th gear? While stationary with engine running or while running on the highway? It's such a simple bike I could not see that happening unless a shifting fork was bent, but.......

Start off with first things first.

Adjust the primary chain really loose, put the spacer back in.

If that doesn't work, you are going to have to remove the primary cover and check a few things. Check that the shift drum retaining plate bolt is tight. Check all of the shifter shaft and associated parts. Then check the adjustment for the shifter pawl. Make sure all of the shift drum pins are in place under the shift drum detent plate. If all is there try manually turning the shift drum into 5th.
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Ezblast
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Try adjusting the clutch at the primary first before digging into the primary - follow the manual - had that problem for a bit and that fixed it - lol
GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 12:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Welcome!
Concur with Swampy & EZ!
If it was a bent shift fork it should have been fixed under warranty years ago. Its an unlikely occurrence unless your bike was in an accident and even then the shifter is designed to break/bend before doing any tranny damage.

The good news is there are some things to try and remedy the problem.

I dont think I'd put the spacer back in (if you even have it) that could leave it on the tight side. You'll need an INCH lbs torque wrench to adjust the primary chain. Craftsmen/Sears/OSH sells one that goes down to 25 inch lbs but it will work when set at 24 inch lbs. Follow the guidelines in the manual for adjustment (or listed here under primary) and go out 7 flats instead of the 4 1/2. Try it and then go looser if the problem isnt solved.
Keep us posted-we're here to help.

PS it should hit the rev limiter in 4th gear at about 80mph-so it does sound as if your primary is too tight.

(Message edited by gearheaderiko on February 06, 2007)
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Barbsnewrider
Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i'M HAVIN A PROBLEM WITH ONE OF MY RIDERS EDGE BIKES. damn caps. Anyway, its real tough to shift into 3rd, and sometimes doesn't go in at all. I'm gonna try the clutch adj at the primary, and then the primary chain, and if it doesnt solve it I guess the cover's comin off to check that other stuff.
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Ezblast
Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you go there - make sure all the drum pins are the same length, chamfer the edges of your stator wire protection plate, put on a new detent clip, do the shifter pawl adjustment then re-assemble, make sure primary adjuster is totally loose, then do clutch adjustment at primary, then primary adjustment at 8 flats out, then clutch lever adjustment - use Mobil 1 15/50 and enjoy smooth shifting.
If this doesn't work its time to split the cases and replace parts - if I where doing this - I'd replace the tranny and add a Baker shift kit - starting off better than new and shifting better than a XB.
GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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Barbsnewrider
Posted on Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 08:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh I wish we could do it like that, lol. Its in a shop so the closest to mobil one will be Syn 3. I am unfortunately not gonna be doing the work and don't think I could get someone to chamfer the edges of the plate, it will likely get a new detent clip,I can make sure he does the shifter pawl adj, and the clutch at the basket, and the chain and the lever. hopefully if we have to split the cases I will be able to do the work( I am basically an extra wrench) I love that kinda crap, but I'm fillin in for somebody up front of the dealership. I will show the guy your post though so he can get an idea of what to do while he's in there. Not suprisingly, the guys don't like to work on Blasts. That stems from doing it once a week to 7 or 8 bikes in the Rider Course. I love them however, as much as you can love a blast I think, lol. I'd work on Buells all day if we had them in enough. Thanks for the input EZ.
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Ezblast
Posted on Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 10:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For folks - notes on the Shift Pawl Adjustment:
1) Use the correct size drill bit - see manual.
2) measure your drum pins, if any are over sized, put a drop of red locktite at the base and gently tap back in till the same length as the rest of the pins.
3) Replace detent plate and clip, maybe use two clips - been done - those clips are a real weakness.
4) Chamfer the edges of the Stator wire protection plate.
5) make sure primary is totally loose when doing adjustments, should be the last thing adjusted - clutch at primary then at levor, levor should be loosened before opening primary.
6) Use a good synth in 15/50.

The rest is pretty much by the manual and easy to do.
EZ
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