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Iamarchangel
Posted on Sunday, December 13, 2009 - 04:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This is a concept I'd like to see used more often: http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9838676-54.html? tag=mncol;txt

Can't find the most recent article but it talked about this being a much bigger success than expected. Road maintenance became very low cost and businesses/residences were lining up to get in on the project.
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Drhacknstine
Posted on Sunday, December 13, 2009 - 04:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I believe the procedure is to assemble the unit at dock, and tow out horizontally. Then they position, flood the lower ballast, and anchor. But that is a guess...
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Court
Posted on Sunday, December 13, 2009 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>>Court, how long are these generators supposed to last in the salt water environment compared to a land-based unit?

I have the comparison in my office but I think they have similar life cycles. One thing . . . still not past yet . . . is that folks REALLY clam up when the subject of how much it may cost to take the project OUT OF SERVICE at the end of it's life. I've got a lot to learn there and I've a pretty good idea why no one want's to discuss it. I'll not be surprised if the greatest cost is decommissioning. It begs for innovation.


>>>And, how much more maintenance will they require?

Perhaps less. As an example, I expect to be called to repair very few gunshot damages. It's a question I always ask since I worked my way through school repairing 345kV overhead lines and insulators . . . it was a great source of overtime.

Another BIG maintenance concern will be having a well developed protocol. It's not like 2 guys driving 10 miles out in the country in a pick up, climbing a ladder and repairing something. As an example, I talked to one fellow who needed to have some maintenance done, marshaled all the necessary folks, made the trip, did the work and found out 2 days later there was a routine inspection scheduled 3 days hence. A "trip" is expensive.


>>>Also, the tall cranes to assemble are pretty routine on land. These will have to be on a barge. Get some pix of those!

True. If I'm still working (likely will as the "in service date is Fall 2015) I'll get plenty of pics.

The bigger instant problem tends to be legal issues surrounding construction vessels. First we have to get around the restrictions of a New York publicly held Corporation working outside the United States.

Once past that hurdle . . . some well meaning folks, back in 1920, put in place a little thing, good at the time but a hurdle now, called The Merchant Marine Act of 1920 (P.L. 66-261) . . commonly known as The Jones Act.

Given that none of the vessels to construct the project are U.S. flagged . . . we'll have to sort that out.

HERE are some good photos of some off shore projects during construction.

Although I don't think this is in the cards for us . . . this is an innovative thought . . .










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Drhacknstine
Posted on Sunday, December 13, 2009 - 08:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd better stick to Old tech. Let me know when babbitt rods make a come back.

Great project Court. hope it's smooth sailing... so to speak. Give us the highlights often.
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Buellerxt
Posted on Monday, December 14, 2009 - 01:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hum,

Being an energy guy, not 'wind' but with a number of friends in 'wind', I took a little interest in this one and ran it by my friends.

Wind, to me, is more smoke and mirrors and 'feels good' stuff that folks like Boone Pickens, who hope to get filthy rich off, can use to talk about renewable energy, U.S. based, blah, blah, blah. The government likes to jump on board as well, one faction of the government anyway, and beat the same drums, using your and my money, of course. That all sounds and feels good right? lol I'd be 100% behind wind energy if it was economically viable without big tax payer subsidies, which it isn't, and if it could stand on it's own without expensive duplicate, backup investments in coal, natural gas, or oil, which it can't. When the wind doesn't blow, which is often, the power doesn't flow. Backups have to be in place to handle the load when that happens. Anyway, that's a whole other subject. Knowing that there are 35 trillion cubic feet of proven natural gas reserves, untapped on the North Slope, and as deemed by geologists/geophysicists, 'hundreds of TRILLIONS more', both on and offshore, it bothers me to see our country doing foolish things, at the expense of all of us, for political/financial gains by a few. It's amazing, what a group of ignorant alarmists, and/or shameful opportunists like Pickens, can do to harm our country financially, and wind is just one resultant of those actions.

I told my friends, who again are 'wind' guys in big 'wind' operations, the little I had read about this project and told them that I was surprised it was being built. Their general response after reviewing the brief info. above that I sent them, was that we will see how they do - the interconnect agreement, they say, is one of the first steps. There will be many hurdles to get across - NY is fairly difficult, even with their big renewable aspirations.

Also, they said that 700 MW is not the largest in the world (Europe has larger in the works now), but it would definitely be the largest offshore in the US.

These 'wind' guys also expressed hope that the US waits to see how this works out in Europe. They mentioned us having a huge land mass as opposed to respective European countries who don't have our options, and the lack of need for us to do off shore now. Several of them are actually involved in Upstate N.Y. wind projects. They went on to say that Turbine reliability in salt water has proven to be difficult at pilot sites in Europe, and felt it would be best to watch and learn for a while...

I really like those guys but 'wind' energy to me is a lot of super costly hot air.

Which company are you with Court, and what is your role in this?
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Iamarchangel
Posted on Monday, December 14, 2009 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Gotta agree with you that tapping into all those "reserves" would be a foolish thing when there are alternatives available.

And I would agree on how amazing ignorant alarmists can be.

There's lots of natural power out there waiting to be tapped if people can just get thinking outside that oily box.
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Buellerxt
Posted on Monday, December 14, 2009 - 07:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dyslexia is h*ll but it can be overcome!
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Court
Posted on Monday, December 14, 2009 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My background, for the last 42 years, is in electrical power plants and transmission line construction . . . I'm a "power guy" too.

If I had my way the power for New York City would be generated by nuclear plants in California and I'd be building 765kV lines to the East Coast.

I'm not quite in the "smoke and mirrors" camp but I also think there are abundant resources we're not using from reasons that are questionable.

New York State mandates that 20% of the power, by 2015 (I'd have to check those numbers) be sourced from "renewable" sources. NYC is already will on the way.

Interesting sidebar is that NYC has the lowest "carbon footprint" in America since so much of our power comes from Nuclear.

My greatest fascination with the project will be the legal, logistical and construction components.

I just like building stuff and heavy equipment . . . I never grew up.

: )
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Buellerxt
Posted on Monday, December 14, 2009 - 10:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"I just like building stuff and heavy equipment . . . I never grew up".

"If I had my way the power for New York City would be generated by nuclear plants in California and I'd be building 765kV lines to the East Coast".

I'm right with you on both of those, Court.
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Moxnix
Posted on Monday, December 14, 2009 - 10:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

How will one ever get a second childhood if you never grow up.

P.S. Dyslexia lures!
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Iamarchangel
Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 12:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Why is dyslexia so hard to spell?


Real question: how noisy is underwater welding?
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Moxnix
Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 01:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The answer to every question is always the question itself.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 09:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Folks are taking notice . . .


quote:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


December 14, 2009

No. 534

www.nyc.gov <http://www.nyc.gov/>



MAYOR BLOOMBERG VISITS HORNS REV 2, WORLD'S LARGEST OFFSHORE WIND FARM



Photo of Wind Farm Attached



Request for Proposals for New York Offshore Wind Project Will Be Released in 2010



Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg today visited the Horns Rev 2 offshore wind farm in the North Sea off the coast of Denmark. Horns Rev 2, operated by DONG Energy, has 91 wind turbines and a total production capacity of 209 megawatts of electricity. The Long Island - New York City Offshore Wind Project, a public-private initiative, is exploring a project in the Atlantic Ocean, approximately 15 miles off the Rockaway Peninsula, which would be several times larger than Horns Rev 2. Next year, the Offshore Wind Project expects to issue a Request for Proposals (RFP) for private firms to construct the project and sell the clean energy it produces.



"Energy-saving efforts like the landmark Greener, Greater Buildings Plan will take a big bite out of our peak power demand, but we also need to pursue renewable forms of energy, like offshore wind power," said Mayor Bloomberg. "I was amazed by the wind farm I saw in the North Sea and I would like to see the same thing off the coast of New York. For almost a year we have been working with the State and Con Ed to plan a large off-shore wind farm that would be three times the size of Horns Rev 2 and could cut New York City's carbon footprint by 430,000 metric tons of CO2 equivalent."



"To meet the aggressive emissions reductions in PlaNYC we have to both reduce electricity demand through conservation and increase the supply of energy produced from renewable sources," said Rohit T. Aggarwala, Director of the Mayor's Office of Long Term Planning & Sustainability. "Right now wind can't be our only source of energy, but an offshore wind farm would help smooth out spikes in our electricity costs which fluctuate along with the price of natural gas."



Approximately 30 wind developers and firms responded to the Long Island - New York City Offshore Wind Project's Request for Information, which gauged interest in developing a wind farm in the Atlantic Ocean. Next year, the Offshore Wind Project expects to issue a Request for Proposals (RFP) for private firms to construct the project and sell the clean energy it produces.



A transmission interconnection study by the Offshore Wind Collaborative concluded that an interconnection for up to 700 megawatts of wind power, located at a proposed location in the Atlantic Ocean, would be feasible with upgrades to the current transmission systems. An application to integrate the offshore wind project into the power grid has been filed with the New York Independent System Operator (NYISO) for up to 700 megawatts by 2015.



The Long Island - New York City Offshore Wind Project is a collaboration between:



* Long Island Power Authority (LIPA);

* Con Edison;

* New York Power Authority (NYPA);

* New York City;

* The City Economic Development Corporation;

* New York State Energy Research and Development Authority (NYSERDA);

* Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA); and

* The Port Authority of New York & New Jersey



The New York State Department of State, Department of Environmental Conservation and Office of General Services are also participating by providing the Collaborative with input and guidance.






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Big_b
Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 09:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Buellerxt do you work in the Natural gas industry?
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Road_thing
Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 11:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey--does his hat say "Dong"?

rt
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 01:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

Hey--does his hat say "Dong"?




Yes! Court got to wear the "Ding" hat that day.
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Moxnix
Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Danish energy company into wind projects in Europe.
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Road_thing
Posted on Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Dong" is also the name of the currency in Viet Nam, but around here, it has a whole different meaning...

rt
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Whatever
Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sweet Jesus Court!

You should hire me hire me!

I am sending you my resume.

Charlotte
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Whatever
Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Please PM me your e-mail Court.

Thanks,

Charlotte
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Billyo
Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 05:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's a shame Wang computers went out of business. Just think, operated by Dong with Wangs.
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