| Author | Message | ||
     Court |
>>>It might even blow up in Harley's face. I hear hissing. | ||
| Iamarchangel |
The other thing that's lost with the analogy is that the potential stream of Buell to HD (sport to couch) was being diverted. The race was won on Rotax, the Barracuda was based on Rotax, and the stock performance bike was based on Rotax. EPA restrictions and design restrictions had taken the XB engines about as far as they could go. The reality is that HD, through Buell, provided valuable R&D and cred to Rotax. We were proud of HD for the win but we know it was Rotax. If I was HD and I couldn't work out a deal with Rotax, I'd probably shut her down too. You don't want to build somebody else's empire. That they refuse to move/sell Buell as an entity speaks volumes to what people in the know thought of the new Buell. | ||
| Court |
>>>the Barracuda was based on Rotax Interesting. Where did you hear that? | ||
| Hex |
That's what I was thinking. It looked like a whole 'nother animal entirely... | ||
| Poppinsexz |
Don't know for sure but that clutch cover does look mighty familiar. | ||
| Boltrider |
There is an anonymous posting on Badweb stating the 'Cuda was based on the 1125. | ||
| Malott442 |
The Barracuda pisses me off. I have seen one shoddy pic. Gimme more.... I'm an 8 year old in a grocery store in front of the candy display. GIMME NOW! | ||
| Boltrider |
In the "Buell that could have been" thread:
Not sure if he means based on the 1125 motor or more generally based on the 1125 motorcycle. "New from front to back" seems that it would be very loosely based. I guess it would have to be based on something if it's an 1199 motor in there. (Message edited by boltrider on November 18, 2009) | ||
| Iamarchangel |
Sorry, Court, I was going off the other thread and some sense of continuity. But are you hinting at something else? If it's not a Rotax, and it's probably not HD, what is it? And if it is HD... whoa. | ||
| Midknyte |
I'm an 8 year old in a grocery store in front of the candy display. heh, and I'm a 14 yr old who can finally reach the pr0n mags at the top of the rack. | ||
| Blackm2 |
If you blow up that photo of the Barracuda, on my computer up to 800%, although grainy you can see the bolt pattern on that right side casing, just behind the fairing, in front of his leg, is the same as the 1125. | ||
| Court |
I'm not saying it isn't . . . just keeping track of the rumor mill. I'll bet we get to see some high res pics . . . there were simply too many of them taken during testing and development. "All new" is an understatement and the process this bike went through is more amazing than the bike itself and a singing validation of what the Elves have been dreaming of doing for years. Imagine . . . close your eyes for a moment . . how you'd feel if you'd been insisting that HD's development process for the XR1200 was "as refined as is possible" and then these upstart rag-tag kids out in East Troy develop a process that results developing a new platform at a fraction of the cost and in less than a 1/3 the time that HD has ever done. . . . and exceeded all the test metrics as various design teams moved information seamlessly among each other to quickly and effectively resolve problems with innovative solutions. . . .just like in the glory days or American Manufacturing . . along the lines of Kelly Johnson's Skunk Works. What if Buell PROVED that it was possible for a group of AMERICANS to manufacture something better than anyone in the world? Yeah . . . then you'd sure want to take a 2nd look at those plans you announced, less than 100 days ago, to build a new Buell World Headquarters . . ask some questions as to why Buell grew like 55% while HD grew 9% . . yeah. . .we'd better quick put an end to that before if makes us look bad. By the way . . . I suspect Buell had some other tricks up their little "Elf Sleeves". Don't turn the set off . . . movie's not over. | ||
| Rocketman |
If it's the same as the 1125 then it's Rotax. http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://ww w.autofieldguide.com/mag_images/100702a.jpg&imgref url=http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/100702. html&usg=__nec0xzFKFVPGMucP4gpsSJSgSt4=&h=183&w=17 5&sz=8&hl=en&start=17&sig2=kowYp92iEvQ0ARTY5B9qfA& tbnid=kJmUsJGJa_7_XM:&tbnh=102&tbnw=98&prev=/image s%3Fq%3Dhelicon%2Bengine%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa% 3DG&ei=hSQFS7WUO4fx-QaT3-zVDQ Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
Imagine . . . close your eyes for a moment . . how you'd feel if you'd been insisting that HD's development process for the XR1200 was "as refined as is possible" and then these upstart rag-tag kids out in East Troy develop a process that results developing a new platform at a fraction of the cost and in less than a 1/3 the time that HD has ever done. . . . and exceeded all the test metrics as various design teams moved information seamlessly among each other to quickly and effectively resolve problems with innovative solutions. . . .just like in the glory days or American Manufacturing . . along the lines of Kelly Johnson's Skunk Works. What if Buell PROVED that it was possible for a group of AMERICANS to manufacture something better than anyone in the world? Yeah . . . then you'd sure want to take a 2nd look at those plans you announced, less than 100 days ago, to build a new Buell World Headquarters . . ask some questions as to why Buell grew like 55% while HD grew 9% . . yeah. . .we'd better quick put an end to that before if makes us look bad. At last you finally throw us something palatable. Thank you for the insight, and it sucks by the way. Also more reason to rescue EVERYTHING Buell had / has going on. Great luck. Rocket | ||
| Ourdee |
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| Midknyte |
What if Buell PROVED that it was possible for a group of AMERICANS to manufacture something better than anyone in the world? It's sad that that must once again be proven "possible"... | ||
| Blackm2 |
Court, seeing that the Helicon was Buell designed and funded, does he(Erik) own the rights to those patents? And on the subject of that, since the Sportster went to rubber mount in '04, essentially Buell designed mounting system, does he get a cut of that since they are using his patent? How does that work? | ||
| Teach |
SPECULATION ALERT!! Airbox cover looks larger? Could there be 4 throttle bodies underneath? | ||
| Homer007 |
it doesn't look larger than the current 1125. where would they source an inline four? | ||
| Teach |
V4? | ||
| Malott442 |
Based on previous models, frame constraints, and speculative reasoning on my behalf, I don't believe you will ever see an inline four. Teach either meant v-4 or dual throttle bodies. Probably v-4. | ||
| Malott442 |
I personally don't see the airbox difference. I vote twin. | ||
| Teach |
O.K. Court, how about chiming in on this? Possibility?? | ||
| Hughlysses |
There is a "crease" in the airbox that shows just behind the rider's right elbow that's not on current 1125's:  | ||
| Jaimec |
I vote "Twin" too. And put the difference in styling to just that: a difference in styling. Makes it match the lines of the full fairing better. | ||
| Hex |
I think somebody told someone to be at such-an-such corner around a certain time to be ready with their cell phone camera on the lookout for a new yellow Buell. | ||
| Hughlysses |
+1 Hex. Buell has amazingly avoided ANY "spy" shots of earlier bikes; that one almost had to be deliberate. BTW- I linked that photo to a post on Cycle World's forum, and the photographer contacted them and requested they take it down. Surely he knows it's linked to hundreds of sites by now. | ||
| Fireboltwillie |
wasn't the larger airbox one of the mods allowed to buell for superbike? | ||
| Midknyte |
Wouldn't it just turn out to be sh1t if that was a V4 hiding under the bodywork? | ||
| Boltrider |
I don't think it could be a V4. It's been said it was made for WSBK, and 4 cylinders at 1199cc would be against the rules. Twins can be made up to 1200cc. My vote is either a bored or stroked 1125. (Message edited by boltrider on November 19, 2009) |
