| Author | Message | ||
     Endoman33 |
Is HD really in that bad a finical bind? | ||
| Brumbear |
http://quote.morningstar.com/Stock/s.aspx?t=HOG Check the graff it aint looking good no matter how you slice it. Sell boys sell the ship is a sinking. Now there is a tactic flood the internet with the ship is sinking sell sell sell if the stock dropped 35% then the current management might be in dire straights and be willing to talk to EB. The most moving pieces on here should be dropped on wall street sites as well as the tech. accurate as most of the guys now doing I see trading are what do you know 25-40 the perfect demographic. At heart I think this may have an impact but I don't know much about the investor's sites and boards but I know people who do will bet you can do it badwebbers  | ||
| Mikej |
The current analyst's report on that link contains some interesting comments contrasted against recent events:
There are more comments in there as well. Makes for an interesting read. | ||
| Brumbear |
I am gonna start here but I am not sure how to write it and what to post . I am outa my league here fella's Rally caps and help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.hotstockmarket.com/forums/forumdisplay. php?f=42 | ||
| Mikej |
What is your goal? There is already a H-D discussion on that site. http://www.hotstockmarket.com/forums/showthread.ph p?t=49106&highlight=hog If your intent is to go to a financial site as a Buell owner and try to influence the market then I think you'd have a greater effect to paint up a sign and go stand at the bus stop in front of the Juneau Avenue plant. Those investment folks don't care too much about how an end consumer feels, they do care about how corporate decisions affect current and future values of their holdings. I don't know what the best thing to do right now is, but trying to torpedo the corporation by posting in an investment forum doesn't seem like the way to go about it. YMMV | ||
| Brumbear |
and the stock went up a little anyway aw screw it I was hoping someone could come up with something as I don't really have a point just had an idea a bad one but an idea none the less | ||
| Mikej |
They still provide parts for our Buells, and many of our bikes can also use Sportster parts. There are also a lot of Buell enthusiasts who work at H-D, and many dual brand owners who own both a H-D and a Buell or two. Decimating the H-D corporation with the intent of running them down would serve no good purpose in my opinion. If your intent is to drive the stock price down to a level that you could acquire enough shares of stock or corporate bonds so that your voice would be heard at the boardroom level then that is a different game. Write an intelligent printed letter to the CEO and COO and CFO and to each member of the Board of Directors and let them know how you feel. I would wager a guess that at least 3/4ths of the board has never received a personally addressed and hand signed letter from any Buell owner, let alone even an email or telephone call. It is easy to demonize a Corporation as an entity, and overlook the fact that it is run by individual people sitting in chairs behind their desks protected from the public by the Corporate frontage. Behind the Corporate walls are individual people who collectively made the decision to shut down Buell, and those are the people you have to individually get your message to. Good luck with the battle. | ||
| Doerman |
To build on Mikej's well put words... Letters and contacts to somebody at the HDI corporate level should be to inform them about what they may have overlooked in a polite way. Railing against the machine does no good. Likewise, information to the investment community in general should be in the same tone. Their interest is information that they can use to strengthen (in most cases) the stock, not tear it down. | ||
| Brumbear |
Well I am enjoying the fall of the stock for now I don't share in the enjoyment of riding both. I do have an old H-D but I didn't buy it. Every harley I bought I turned into rubble quickly except a sprint I bought some years ago. I would like to see the current "UBER" staff lose their jobs CEO's mainly. The reason to me is this they ran the H-D business into the ground cause when your as big as H-D, finance is as much a part of the business as motorcycles. They like some other American manufacturers refused to move forward and reduce the size and price of there machines and they had to finance immense sums of money and well you know the rest. This caused 200 buell and many h-d workers their jobs and the h-d people cut the future of the machines out from underneath the people who really love them as well. I can not understand how the folks who love h-d as I am not one of them can still blindly follow DON"T DRINK THE KOOLAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Jammin_joules |
Mikej +1 "Check the graff it aint looking good no matter how you slice it. Sell boys sell the ship is a sinking." I have been a stock holder in numerous equities since 1990, including then HDI, (now HOG). If you think that week graff tells you something, you had better stick to your XB's and Loki's. For example, in a setting tide, all boats lower. For October until 29Oct when this post was made, HOG = +26 % S&P500 = +4 % DJIA = +5% Wandell has done exactly what Wall Street Wise Analysts and big money managers like to see a company in a struggling market do; make tough decisions, cut deep, lay people off, lower expenses & fixed costs, be reactive not lethargic. Often the stock is rewarded in the short term for moves a company makes that spends its future. | ||
| Jammin_joules |
I do not mean to be argumentative but since stock prices were brought up, I would hate for fellow Buell owners on BadWEB to me misled by a post that is short sighted and tainted by emotions, albeit warranted. But this chart, especially if you laid the S&P500 and the DJIA over it, shows HOG stock has a promising trend and is doing better than the overall market this year. Like motorcycle ownership for a Buell owner is not about chrome, leather, lowered heavy bikes but about performance and the technical ride; investing is not about fixing social wrongs or corporate malfeasance but rather, it is about making money.  | ||
| M2nc |
Sorry Jammin, HDI is still 1/3 its value of a year ago and even GM in bankruptcy can claim their stock values are up from an all time low. HDI is far from out of the woods. Someone still has to deal with their bad debt and until that happens they are in jeopardy. No company can bleed the kind of money HDI is presently bleeding and stay out of chapter 7/11 for long. | ||
| Technomad |
We're all far from being out of the woods, but I'm an optimist so I ordered a new XB12Ss. | ||
| Court |
(Message edited by court on November 01, 2009) |
