| Author | Message | ||
     Moxnix |
What differences are there between RR1200 frames and RS1200 frames? Kind regards & thanks in advance. | ||
| Court |
My gut reaction is to say none but there may be small differences, I'd have to pull up drawings. Brankin might know off the top of his head . . . he helped build both. Calling 1313. . . | ||
| 1313 |
Quite honestly the RR1200 was before my time. Sure, there was always one in the shop but, in it's 'fully cloaked' bodywork, I never really paid much attention to the frame. I just checked the April 1989 Cycle magazine article on the RR1200 and from the picture without bodywork it appears that the tail section (sub frame) was welded on to the frame - i.e. not a bolt on part like I know at least the later RS/RSS frames were. I'm not sure if early RS frames had welded on tail sections (sub frames) or not, and I don't have any good pictures of my buddies 1989 RS1200 to verify. However, the RR1200 pictured without bodywork in the Cycle magazine article did NOT appear to have the threaded bung that the knob for the flip up tail section (bodywork) that the RS used, so I would have to surmise that there were some differences between the RR1200 and RS1200 frames. Later RS/RSS frames definitely were the same part and had a separate bolt on sub-frame tail section to differentiate between the RS (with footpeg mounts) and the RSS (no footpeg mounts). I guess it would've been simpler to just say 'I don't know', wouldn't it? 1313 | ||
| Moxnix |
Much appreciated. http://www.ponkotsu.info/buell/img/rr1200.jpg I found this on the web with no credit as to where it came from. However, it shows 2 bikes, on without bodywork. From my collecting days, my Agfa loupe is still at hand for looking at details. Is this oil tank what also came on the RS? Regarding swing arms, what fits what in the RR-RS-RRS-S2 series? Many thanks. (Message edited by moxnix on July 20, 2009) | ||
| Moxnix |
Which brings me to the question: Has anyone ever done a "what fits what" piece on the early tubers? Tanks, swing arms, etc. I'm too lazy, myself, and haven't a slew of bikes in the garage to do any comparisons. | ||
| Moxnix |
Bump | ||
| Court |
That's the old shop on Jefferson in the photo. | ||
| 1313 |
Is this oil tank what also came on the RS? If it ain't, it sure is very, very similar. My assumption is that it would've been the same. It would've been a lot easier to just order X oil tanks from Jim Schneider, rather than Y RR oil tanks and Z RS oil tanks. But then again, this is my assumption. A new model is always the perfect opportunity to take what you've learned and improve the product, so it could go either way. If I had access to part numbers, I'd be able to tell, but then again so would anybody. Regarding swing arms, what fits what in the RR-RS-RRS-S2 series? All I can say for certain is that an S2 swingarm will (most likely) not fit any of the earlier tubers. The original S2 swingarm (which was recalled) was based off the RS/RSS swingarm, but since the S2 was the first Buell with a belt drive it was widened (by .400" if memory serves) to accomodate the belt. The S2 frame, heavily influenced by the RS/RSS frame (minus the detachable sub frame), is also a tad wider than the RS/RSS frame due to the belt drive. As for the other swingarms, I'm not sure which are interchangeable. I'd assume that the RR1000 is pretty specific due to the 16 inch wheels, but once again this is an assumption. Which brings me to the question: Has anyone ever done a "what fits what" piece on the early tubers? Tanks, swing arms, etc. I'm too lazy, myself, and haven't a slew of bikes in the garage to do any comparisons. Honestly, the older tubers just don't get the attention they so rightly deserve. It seems that nobody shows them any love. Just ask anyone with an older tuber who's tried to register their bike on buell.com in the owners section or even a recent Homecoming. Like you, unfortunately I don't have a slew of those bikes in my garage either as it would sure help. About the only thing I am certain about is that between my S2, V-Rod and XB12XT there are hardly any parts that interchange between any of them. How did you stumble upon that picture, Karl? That's a real, old school Buell pic if I've ever seen one! 1313 | ||
| Court |
>>>That's a real, old school Buell pic if I've ever seen one! I ran the photo link down and it was on a Japanese website. | ||
| Moxnix |
Searched on Yahoo for "buell rr1200 photos" and that was on the first link with many others, including some Japanese Xbox 360 game computer generated units. Link: http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_ prop=image&fr=yfp-t-501&va=buell+rr1200&sz=all I greatly appreciate your first hand knowledge being shared. Back in '89, after moving back from Europe, an old racing buddy told me about a bike at a Harley shop with an XR1000 engine. Naturally an RR1000, with a price tag on it. I said I wanted it and they said it wasn't for sale. Came back a few times, price rose and still with a "not for sale" comment. They didn't offer to order me a new RR1200, so I didn't know it existed. Nonetheless, the entire concept struck me as so significant for we Yanks who "got it," well, there is little left to say, other than what is presented in "the book" or offered on this web over the years. It appears the path of least resistance is one of the later RS's, for the 5-speed motor. Those of us who've owned XR750s, XR1000s, XLRs, etc., know there is gobs more power and utility in the Evo motor. I'm okay with early tubers being ignored. The krauts have a saying, "Nur fur kenner." Only for those who know. | ||
| Basti |
Hi Karl "Nur fur kenner." Only for those who know. Yes just ask me give me some time and I can answer all your questions as I have all these toys here with me and I have compared all these things. I can write more when Im back home from work. Best wishes Basti Ps please dont forget the pictures you promised me | ||
| Moxnix |
Bestimmpt, Basti. Alles is in the back of the garage, dahinten lots of boxes that are supposed to be wieg gewerft. Heute is dem Geberstag meine frau, so, Morgen Morgen. Okay, nur nach I send the photos, I will ask questions about what fits what from our Bamberg connection with all the RR bikes und teile. Danke. Tzusch. (Message edited by moxnix on July 23, 2009) | ||
| Moxnix |
Okay, after hours of digging through Badweb archives, including factory bike build historical snapshots and the early Elves LSR posts, taking a loupe to photos in various books, and seeing one bit about lower fitment requiring an alu plate added on a 5-speed, it looks like most of the questions I had regarding what fits what are answered. Thanks for leads. What one can and can't do is interesting, and one can truly appreciate those early year models. I still have less than high regard for the aesthetics of the Westwind mono-posto/duo-posto saddle, but, hey, it did buck a trend on some other bikes which just used a removable cover. Basti, it will be awhile before I get back on track with the glass werk. Did you get the fotos? | ||
| Court |
>>>I still have less than high regard for the aesthetics of the Westwind mono-posto/duo-posto saddle, but, hey, it did buck a trend on some other bikes which just used a removable cover. I will say . . . as one who rode it and rode it a lot . . . that I really enjoyed it. I provided a good seat and a great place to store a nylon jacket which is what I pretty much wore back in those days. Not really sure I can recall ever putting anyone on the back . . . but it worked. In addition, just the "different" brought Buell some valuable attention as they fought to get noticed. | ||
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