| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
Hey Court! You are most welcome to custodial status here anytime you like. Just say the word.  | ||
| Road_thing |
should we ban this crap or not? Yup. rt | ||
| Jimidan |
I think your post shot be moved. Like math in a zoo . . . I've no gripe with it . . it just doesn't belong. If I . . .(now I'm dreaming) were a moderator, I'd move the post and delete all the non-germane material from this post. But. . . then I lack tolerance. Like fine whine, you keep getting better with age...  And let's face it, I am not the only one on here who has been accused of posting "non-germane material...why, it seems like just yesterday that... But that really wasn't the question...do you think that political/religious comments should be banned? Semper Fi, jimi | ||
| Jimidan |
At its core, you offer a valid suggestion above; some custodians agree with it. But with your post above considered in whole your suggestion is neither persuasive nor compelling. Frankly it has the opposite effect upon me. I tend to get obstinate in the face of being publicly accused of dishonesty. Have I read my post...heck, I wrote it. You can go over my post point by point and try and refute it if you like, and I will site examples...but I don't anticipate that. I think that attacking a citizen's patriotism simply because they oppose political policies that they deem destructive and detrimental to their country that they love, is intellectually dishonest. It shifts the conversation away from the merits of the policy in question to the fact that someone dared to criticize it. It uses heavy handed intimidation to quash dissent (the stuff of dictatorships). If that doesn't work, you have the pulling of the plug technique...and this is intellectually honest? Then as a last resort you can banish them from the site. It is your site and you can do anything you want, but it can all be avoided by taking just my suggestion. The fact that it had the opposite effect on you is no surprise to me. You never have liked it much when your custodians/moderators have brought up this touchy subject...so don't act like it is just ME. Your obstinateness is not a product of my post, as you have held it long before I came on here. You seem addicted to it...something that I understand completely. I made my best case in as honest and forthright manner as I could. We have had this discussion before on this and other forums, and in direct email. Neither one of us (and several others too) can resist responding to political statements that we feel are outrageous, derisive, or just plain wrong, and the kicker is that everyone really thinks they are correct. Nobody is swayed by their antagonist's arguments. So in the end, what is the use? The hardest person to critique is the man in the mirror. Introspection is a biatch. Let's give it up and talk about stuff that doesn't raise folks hackles so much...like V-twin power. Let's bury the hatchet before you really have something to biatch about...Hillary!!!  What do ya' say? | ||
| Road_thing |
Nobody is swayed by their antagonist's arguments. So in the end, what is the use? Exactly. Why dilute the relationships that can spring from our shared interests by hosting pointless arguments that will never be settled here? I think we all love bikes--that's what brought us here in the first place. Political and religious discussions much more often than not (and I'm tempted to break my rule about absolutes and say "always" here) end badly. I'm reminded of a sign I saw in a bar years ago: I think that might be a good rule here, too. rt | ||
| Blake |
Jimi, There is only one person here who is talking politics and critisizing other people. This is the absolutely wrong topic for that. This topic is for offering suggestions to improve BadWeB. That's it. | ||
| Blake |
Don, I don't see it. It looks to me like better than 95% of the content on BadWeB is moto-related or in good humor. The GDB was great in its day but has become nearly obsolete with the significant growth of participation on BadWeB. If we put all the posts from the Quick Board onto the General Discussion Board, it would be virtually impossible to sort them out or keep up with all the various threads. It just wouldn't work very well at all. I absolutely do NOT want BadWeB to fall into acrimonious malcontent. My goal has always been to foster a positive, friendly place with a respectuful and thoughtful decorum for all Buell Motorcycle Enthusiasts. I also reject the notion that we must prohibit entirely any/all discussion of political issues, and/or other such subjects. Relegate it to the basement? Sure. Frown upon the injection of politics into other, non-political discussions? You bet. Give stern notice to those who's only evident purpose on BadWeB becomes posting their political commentary? Absolutely! I like to get to know people. I can't do that very well here if I can't discus other topics outside the realm of motorcycling. I like to hear about the folks and their lives and views as much as I do motorcycles. I think that is what makes us a community, which is a lot more than just a motorocycle forum. That's my view, and I'm pretty darn obstinate. ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) RT, I think the approach of "leave your colors at the door" is appropriate for a bar dealing with rival gangs. I think that a community might be better served by different standards, like "no drunk, rowdy, troublemaking, gangs allowed." Maybe? Thanks all for your thoughtful suggestions and advice. I value all thoughtful suggestions; those would be the ones that don't accuse me of being dishonest or devolve into personal insult and partisan political attack. | ||
| Court |
>>>"no drunk, rowdy, troublemaking, gangs allowed." Maybe? I'll miss Road Thing. | ||
| Jimidan |
Jimi, There is only one person here who is talking politics and critisizing other people. This is the absolutely wrong topic for that. This topic is for offering suggestions to improve BadWeB. That's it. Gipper: "There he goes again." There is always the need for a 'why' with a 'what', regardless of the suggestion. I made my best case argument, based on the concerns as stated...but let me re-phrase since we are getting all pithy again: I suggest that we ban all political comments on Badweb. Don't ask me why... | ||
| Blake |
"There is always the need for a 'why' with a 'what', regardless of the suggestion. " Just like there is a need by some to make excuses. The "why" of your suggestion was that such commentary (the "what") is divisive and harmful to the board. You went WAY beyond the why and what. You launched into your own political rant and ad hominem attack. (Message edited by Blake on November 21, 2007) | ||
| Jimidan |
See what I mean? If this stuff had been banned, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now and we could be digesting our turkey much better. I accept your apology. | ||
| Blake |
Happy Thanksgiving Jimi. | ||
| Jimidan |
Happy post Thanksgiving Blake. | ||
| Bad_karma |
Blake Just reviewing the forum and realize how much I depend on the profile option and how much good information is in there. Good job to all who keep theirs updated and to Blake and company for this gold mine of info. Merry Christmas Joe | ||
| Reepicheep |
Hey! You put up an icon! Now my firefox tabs have a nice little BW on 'em! Cool! (Though I think you should have used a side view of a pair of exhaust headers....) | ||
| Blake |
Thanks for noticing. My "Favorites" link now has the icon next to it (after deleting and recreating it), but the one in the address bar is still MSIE, though for a minute it had shown the "BW". MSIE is strange. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Switch to firefox, and that will clear right up ;) | ||
| Odie |
How come I can't find the R.A.N. easily?? I have to use the search function. I want to say I recall seeing in the main page as one of the topics at one time. A Ford SuperDuty forum I frequent has a "Diesel 911" thread that's pretty conspicuous for about the same reason we have the RAN. Just wondering. I guess if someone is looking for it it is in a time of great need so it might need be a little more "findable". Thanks for all you guys keep doing.... | ||
| Odie |
Nevermind........I need to take my contacts out and get a good nights sleep. I found it.......I could'a swore it wasn't there earlier.... | ||
| Odie |
Now it's not there!???! I am losing my mind....What's the deal? |
