| Author | Message | ||
     Snail |
Who's leaving? I'm sure I'll miss more than I remember, alphabetically: Aaron Cecil Chop Court Dyna Henrik Mav Tramp Vik Maybe some of the others will read this and add their names. Perhaps I should start a roll call for those who've left....whoa! They're not here, that won't work. I'll see if I can get a more complete list from Sacborg. Lets not phone talk until we have something nice to talk about. | ||
| Blake |
Thanks Peter. But I ain't really that nice all the time. Paul, Dyna was banned from BadWeB. He's not welcome here. We don't want him here. Henrik has left? That would suck. Mav was here? He left? No offense intended Mav. I know this place confuses you.  Tramp has left never to return? That is somehow my fault or the fault of board policy?  Vik (Eeeeek) left? That sucks. I like Vik. You forgot M2me, Buelliedan, Reepicheep, and Tripper. I have plenty nice to talk about. Read what Peter said.  Michele had the Salmon for dinner. Did you know they farm shrimp in West Texas? | ||
| Peter |
Maybe so much of this shit wouldn't have happened if you had taken a moment to visit X, and talk it out face to face instead of via the internet? Nice sidestep | ||
| Rocketman |
And the worlds best smoked kippers are available today in Whitby, still smoked the same way and in the same wooden shed for well over 100 years. Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
Snail, do you like burgers? Rocket | ||
| Pammy |
"You and your supporters have made it pretty clear that I don't fit the profile for the guest list to your internet 'home', and I will be excusing myself, and I'm sure I can find the door." I have not seen this. Must not be REALLY clear... No profilers here, that I have seen. Paul it seems that you would like nothing better than to be ostracized from this site. Yet you are not being obliged here so you are trying to do it to yourself. I don't know of a single person, on this site, that dislikes you or discounts your view of the world. So if you do choose to "find the door" it will be because you chose not to participate. No one invited(you to leave) nor challenged you to leave. Strange, you didn't seem like that on the phone. Smooth and open minded is the descript that I would have given. I , for one, enjoy your stories and yet I never see any of them over here. I do see you trying to 'defend' someones honor when you feel someone has been wronged. And that seems to be the only time you wish to participate(mostly anyway). I could be wrong in this but it is my perception. | ||
| Henrik |
Just to clear up; I have not left Badweb. I *do* participate less than I used to. Henrik | ||
| Regkittrelle |
The spats that pepper the net are, normally, of little interest to me. This one, tho, has a fascinating side to it. I've traveled more than a bit across this country over the years, and in doing so have discovered the obvious; we are really many different countries with sub-cultures that, at times, find it impossible to communicate clearly. This balkenization is excerbated on the 'net. But, rather than a geographic split, it is more of a mental one. That is people of like minds pool on certain sites, with their home area (California, Iowa, etc.)of no consequence. The negative aspect of this is that if you enter with a different mind (or tone) you will slowly be either assimilated or shunned. This is very true of both Bedwetters and SadSACs. And it is really a very natural, tho at times odious, process. On one hand, the person who can walk comfortably in both camps is to be admired, although I suspect that they'd also make a good politician... which automatically puts them on my shit list. Take Blake, for example. Here on his site, he is greatly admired and respected. Take this same man, same views... stick him on the 'BORG end of the stick, and he becomes a demon. Or how about Snail? This man is one of the most real deals I know. On the SAC side he's a valuable asset. But here, he is beginning to be demonized. No one means to do so, and it's quite subtle, but it's happening (and it will be denied). An example of how this works can be found in Blake's "lowest common denominator" phrase. Blake meant no harm by this. I see it as a simple exhibit of a belief.A belief which, obviously, is supported by most 'wetters. However, in using that phrase he ticks off several of us who do not hold his view on the use of profanity. Ideally, we (Snail, myself, and others) would rise above it, but being strangers in a strange land we are ultrsensitive to slight. All very human, this stuff... and fascinating to watch. | ||
| CJXB |
Henrik has left? That would suck. Say it ain’t so ??!!!  Seems some folks are down on Blake right now, I hate to see that !! No one’s perfect, but he’s a decent human being, trying to do what he believes to be the right thing !! I would have been a beatch by now in his shoes, so just want to say I do appreciate him and Badweb, sometimes I forget to say so !! All anyone can do is be the best person they can, some folks will have a falling out and/or not get along, sometimes for good reasons, and sometimes for good !! Doesn’t mean anyone involved aren’t still good people in their own way !!! | ||
| Snail |
Henrik, sorry, was presumtious of me. I was thinking of your vacated custodianship. Reg, excellent. You are good. To all, I thought Badweb had a problem with members leaving, and wanted to help remedy the problem. Apparently the problem doesn't exist, and my mewlings only served to agitate, rather than heal. My brusque manners are symtomic of my straight forward manner of dealing with problems. In business as in life, I like to step right up and start swinging. My nose has been broken three times. I earn $87.25/hour running a 50 ton logging shovel, and $50/hour running saw. My involvement on Badweb is taking up 2 hours/day of time. However and whatever my posts have begat certainly isn't worth the time spent. Wishing you all the best. | ||
| Mikej |
I think I need to buy a shovel and a saw and change careers. | ||
| Henrik |
No worries Snail. No problem at all. I did indeed resign my custodian post awhile back. No matter why you started this discussion I think it's an interesting one. You obviously speak directly and from the heart, and in doing so may start a review of formats, policies etc. on Badweb. A healthy approach to the questions you raise would be to step back and take a good look, rather than dismiss you as a shit-stirrer (see what you've started with your profanity question ) Whether your questions will prompt a change or not matters less than the fact that we as participants are prodded to think about it. All healthy organizations go through similar "reviews" on a regular basis in order to stay current, flexible, agile, in touch - whatever you want to call it. I'd like to see the rest of your questions. And I may contact you about a job if we leave NYC ...  Henrik | ||
| Jon |
Pammy said is best: "Paul it seems that you would like nothing better than to be ostracized from this site". Paul, You come on board, get room, get booked for the week it's a sell out crowd, you're breaking all attendance records, we're having fun, you pull the persecution complex card and wave us all good-bye muttering something about eating worms and nobody liking you. You are trying your best to get your "kicked off of Badweb" stripes. Well, it ain't gonna happen. As far as Badweb goes, it's just an internet club, not a cult. People can leave anytime they like and come anytime they like. If some people decide that Badweb doesn't fit them they have other choices. Some people are here for that very reason regarding other sites. Is it soup yet? (Message edited by jon on June 14, 2006) | ||
| Jon |
Well I don't know what you mean by "demonize", Reg. I think many here like myself simply don't buy what Paul is selling. But he has not been demonized. Maybe that principle is in play that you were posting about...a simple matter of perspective. | ||
| Reindog |
I, too, don't get the demonize thing about Snail. I just don't see it happening in this forum. However, I think a lesson has been learned about the "joys" of moderating a forum. It is easier to herd cats. Paul is one stand-up hombre who also happens to be an incredible host. He opened up his house to Bedwetters and Slackboarders alike during Foreplay a few years back before SPLASH. He gave us one of those valuable gifts, that is, a day that one will always remember fondly. I think most people on both boards think highly of Snail. | ||
| Jon |
Reindog- "I think most people on both boards think highly of Snail". So I have heard. And often from Blake. | ||
| Jon |
Reg, Our posts have made you a prophet! Stop doing that!! | ||
| Blake |
I think highly of Paul. I like Paul. I wish he would follow through with his recommendations/suggestions. I also understand wanting to avoid spending too much time doing so. Hmmm, might this be a good time to try out our capability to conduct a queued topic, where each post would need to be approved before it apears on the discussion page? Let me know Paul. Back to the profanity filter issue: The issue for me is more one of "vulgarity" not mere "profanity." I tried to communicate that via my post earlier in the topical thread dealing with that issue by recounting one such problematic case. This issue also ties in directly to the policy against mean-spirited personal attack. Thoughtful criticism is fine. Mean spirited personal attack is not, on account of that is exactly what makes a place inhospitable to some and haven for a mob run amock for others, facsism is a good description of that situation I think. Does anyone here ever see fit to ditch a friend or even write-off an acquaintance over a disagreement on how a web site is maintained or due to a thoughtful opposing opinion about a product or another person or politics? Contrary to what a few disgruntled pot stirrers would have you believe I sure don't. Isn't the primary factor, the most important thing, the humanity/honor/integrity of the individual, not his beliefs? I think that the way folks express themselves is an indication of their character. Your use of "I think" prefacing your opinion that "Bush is an idiot" is a perfect example. One manner of expression is factual and seeks to impose a particular view upon others. The other is a thoughful expression of one's opinion. Right? I agree that some egotistical folks view the thoughtful expression of an opposing view as an attack against them or their friend or customer or even their preferred motorcycle. But when thoughtfully expressed, it isn't. It is what it is, debate, disagreement, discussion. I learned that lesson not too very long ago myself. It was a blessing to learn. Truthfully, I'm still learning it. Some folks haven't learned that lesson; they may even avoid learning it, especially when other selfish personal agendas are involved that make it easy to avoid learning that lesson, and especially when they enjoy the protection of being isolated via the internet. Then you have the really miserable types who are simply addicted to and thrive in order to stir up consternation. Reg, I disagree strongly with your characterization of this community of Buell enthusiasts. In my view your take on our community depends upon a gross exaggeration of the issue and related incidents. I'mnot sure you have spent enough time here outside a very few minority threads to really get a feel for the place. Please tell me if I am wrong. Ever wonder why I am demonized on SacBORG? Could it be that a very vocal minority have that as their own personal agenda and are exploiting the site to play it out? The mix is ripe for it, disgruntled/banned BadWeBrs, a dishonest and relentlessly vindictive business owner and his ardent supporters/employee? I used to be a happy and frequent participant on SacBORG. Multiple factors combined to change that. First was the unrelenting malicious personal derision that a very few there saw fit to wage against me and BadWeB. But that by itself wasn't what turned me away. By itself and especially considering the primary source of that miserableness, it was usually easy for me to simply ignore it. Most folks do the same. Admittedly, it was less easy for me to ignore the similar outlandish derision of others. Second, a prominent and respected member of the Buell enthusiasts' community and business owner began publicly maligning me and BadWeB there, waging and elevating his campaign of dishonest character assassination. Still, I was able to deal with that. No matter the stories he saw/sees-fit to contrive and share publicly there, I am secure in my own honesty. It is simply much easier to be honest than dishonest. Having to keeping track of lie after lie after lie is bound to blow up in one's face sooner or later. Third, when in my view even you yourself joined in on the "demonizing" of me on SacBORG, seeing fit to throw me into the very same barrel as the man who posts comment after comment and thread after thread intended to malign me and Bedwet; well, that was a very bitter pill to have to swallow. It in my view was horribly unfair, and very hurtful coming from you. I may act petty and contrary on occasion, no doubt. I reject outright the notion that I fit anywhere near the same mold as the miserable one to whom you publicly equated me. No big deal Reg, I can see how a SacBORGer could be led to make such a mistake and also that you were likely addressing one singular issue at the time. I still respect you highly. You are a man of character and to be fair, I never saw fit to raise the issue with you privately. I reckon that if I had, we would have worked through it just fine. So please, no worries as far as you and I are concerned. Fourth, when the owner/admin of the site egregiously misinterpreted my entirely innocent actions there and saw fit to publicly accuse me both there and here of malicious misbehavior, then publicly refused to accept my word on the issue, well, that was the straw that broke this camel's back as far as participation on SacBORG is concerned. No way I was ever going to get a fair shake there. To this day, my detractors there too often get the closing shot just before the thread is closed to new posts. The long and short of it is that due to a few aggressively antagonistic detractors combined with a skilled character assassin a mistaken highly respected man, and the stubbornness of the site owner/admin, I became a pariah and person of ill repute there with three prominent and respected Buell enthusiasts including the owner of the site all joining in to ridicule me. Again, that is my view of the matter. I had to leave. I know for a fact that a number of folks witnessed the same type issues and others and did the same. In fact I would wager that far more folks avoid participating on SacBORG than they do BadWeB for just that reason. Do me a favor Reg, click on the "Last Day" link at the bottom of the page. How many posts and contributors do you see? What would you do in my place? I just want to have fun and talk about motorcycles. I challenge anyone to find a thread anywhere on BadWeB that exists purely for the purpose of denigrating SacBORG or any individual. What you'll find is lively energetic, sometimes aggressive debate/discussion. The VERY reason we don't allow hateful personal attacks here is that we absolutely do not wish to alienate any Buell enthusiast who wishes to participate here. Some folks just cannot stand the heat of an energetic opposition to their views. Some of us here might fit that bill. But does it make any sense at all to whine about it and then out the other side of one's mouth pretend that SacBORg is any different. It is worse. I'll try harder to avoid being petty. How about you cutting me and BadWeB some slack? Come on over for a visit now and again. No one running the SacBORG site or who is a friend of yours is going to begrudge your participation here. President Bush has made in my view some idiotic decisions and idiotic statements. ••••••• kumbaya? Blake PS: Clarification is in order. If any of us here suffer a "wet bed", it results from our wet dreams of a Buell winning in AMA FX, not any kind of bladder accident. And for us guys, there are always umbrella girls involved too, in the dream I mean. | ||
| Blake |
PPS: Or some of us may have spilled our beer while typing on the laptop. | ||
| Regkittrelle |
Oh the pain! I spent 20 minutes answering Blake's post... then lost it. |
